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Unless he had one of those drum magazine glocks, he'd have been out of ammo after 15-45 rounds (depending on if he had backup magazines). They could have just

Unless he had one of those drum magazine glocks, he'd have been out of ammo after 15-45 rounds (depending on if he had backup magazines). They could have just parked the APC out front and waited a bit. No need to crash it through the front door.

SapporoChris 7y ago
I agree, no need to destroy the house. But significant activity would be required to secure the neighborhood. There have been instances where innocent bystanders get shot. I've never been shot at, but I suspect there is probably a very aggressive response that humans have to be shot at. A response serves well in most situations, not so much in this one. I'd love to see more training for the police officers to help in situations, but I don't see tax payers wanting to pay for it. My outrage really isn't at the police officers actions, but I understand being outraged about it. My outrage is at the courts. Although I do understand it appears this gentleman may have selected the wrong court.
- tolien 7y ago
  > I'd love to see more training for the police officers to help in situations, but I don't see tax payers wanting to pay for it I don’t think it’s more training they need, but different training (so rather than more money, it’s a matter of spending the money they already have differently). A whole industry has sprung up of ex-military personnel and LEOs providing training which isn’t far off the sort of thing you’d get for a tour of Afghanistan; unsurprisingly when you train and equip people as if they’re going to a war zone they then act and use that equipment as if they’re in a war zone.
  - acdha 7y ago
    It’s worth noting that the vets I know are somewhat offended by that comparison because they had considerable training about use of force to prevent things like this — their commanders cared about the residents’ opinion of them far more than many police departments seem to.
    - tolien 7y ago
      That’s a fair point! A better comparison might be with something like Blackwater, i.e unaccountable thugs with guns, or with a combat environment where there are no civilians to get in the way.
    - belenos46 7y ago
      Agreed. All my vet friends get pretty worked up about this topic, particularly the lack of oversight. Even if you're in an active war zone, if you raise your weapon (even if the person you're aiming at is holding a weapon), it goes in your after-action report and is reviewed by your superiors to see if your actions conformed to the rules of engagement in that scenario.

SapporoChris 7y ago

I agree, no need to destroy the house. But significant activity would be required to secure the neighborhood. There have been instances where innocent bystanders get shot. I've never been shot at, but I suspect there is probably a very aggressive response that humans have to be shot at. A response serves well in most situations, not so much in this one. I'd love to see more training for the police officers to help in situations, but I don't see tax payers wanting to pay for it. My outrage really isn't at the police officers actions, but I understand being outraged about it. My outrage is at the courts. Although I do understand it appears this gentleman may have selected the wrong court.

tolien 7y ago
> I'd love to see more training for the police officers to help in situations, but I don't see tax payers wanting to pay for it I don’t think it’s more training they need, but different training (so rather than more money, it’s a matter of spending the money they already have differently). A whole industry has sprung up of ex-military personnel and LEOs providing training which isn’t far off the sort of thing you’d get for a tour of Afghanistan; unsurprisingly when you train and equip people as if they’re going to a war zone they then act and use that equipment as if they’re in a war zone.
- acdha 7y ago
  It’s worth noting that the vets I know are somewhat offended by that comparison because they had considerable training about use of force to prevent things like this — their commanders cared about the residents’ opinion of them far more than many police departments seem to.
  - tolien 7y ago
    That’s a fair point! A better comparison might be with something like Blackwater, i.e unaccountable thugs with guns, or with a combat environment where there are no civilians to get in the way.
  - belenos46 7y ago
    Agreed. All my vet friends get pretty worked up about this topic, particularly the lack of oversight. Even if you're in an active war zone, if you raise your weapon (even if the person you're aiming at is holding a weapon), it goes in your after-action report and is reviewed by your superiors to see if your actions conformed to the rules of engagement in that scenario.