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The animals are literally force fed with a tube. The animal's liver swells to many times its normal size. I am not sure what you are talking about. There is a r

The animals are literally force fed with a tube. The animal's liver swells to many times its normal size. I am not sure what you are talking about. There is a reason why this practice is controversial to begin with. Do you have any evidence to the contrary?

mikekchar 7y ago
I have not actually seen it (and I'm not the OP), but I have been told by French farmers that geese do willingly and even eagerly run up to get the tube inserted so that they can have the food force fed into their gullet. At least with the few farmers I've talked to about this, the tube was not inserted permanently (these were very small operations). Having never actually seen it, I don't have any understanding of the discomfort the animals face or the extent to which these reports are true. But neither do I have reliable information that it is not true. Disclaimer: I don't eat foie gras and don't advocate it either.
boudin 7y ago
The actual fact that geese can eat that much and double size (or more) is natural and necessary for their migration. It's possible to make foie gras by just letting the goose eating itself. Acording to my parents when they were living on farms when young, that's the way they were doing it. Just banning the practice of force feeding would make more sense. You can find a few things online about those alternative way https://text.npr.org/s.php?sId=487088946 https://text.npr.org/s.php?sId=487088946
- calf 7y ago
  I've read about the acorn foie guy, and wasn't sure how legit the story was. If foie gras can be made by having free range geese and plentiful food for them, that would make foie production even more of a luxury item, but at least that would render the gavage controversy no a longer critical issue.
- eurg 7y ago
  As linked somewhere else, but for video affine people, and directly relevant, see this old Ted talk: https://www.ted.com/talks/dan_barber_s_surprising_foie_gras_parable?language=en https://www.ted.com/talks/dan_barber_s_surprising_foie_gras_...
- eurg 7y ago
  Below someone quoted this: "it will be assumed that all foie gras came from duck or geese that have been force-fed unless “documentary” evidence is provided to the contrary." So, non-force-feed remains legal.
  - boudin 7y ago
    I had missed that, thanks!
ryanlol 7y ago
>The animals are literally force fed with a tube You don't have to buy the force fed kind though.
jlengrand 7y ago
This is a by-product of battery breeding, and not the only way to make foie gras. Geese will feed too much anyways at certain times of the year in their own will. Same as pigs that get removed from their mothers and live in cages barely sized for them. It doesn't have to be that way. Buying responsibly is a first step, and forbidding torturous practises would be another one. Not killing animals at all is yet another discussion.
ivanhoe 7y ago
That's only one way to do it, probably the most efficient one for mass farming. In my country there is a similar delicacy, but instead of tube traditionally geese were fed by hand. Farmers would prepare balls of food, and then those balls were pushed into the geese's beak and down the throat by hand, until it's totally full. This is more time consuming than using a funnel and a tube to just pour the food.

mikekchar 7y ago

I have not actually seen it (and I'm not the OP), but I have been told by French farmers that geese do willingly and even eagerly run up to get the tube inserted so that they can have the food force fed into their gullet. At least with the few farmers I've talked to about this, the tube was not inserted permanently (these were very small operations). Having never actually seen it, I don't have any understanding of the discomfort the animals face or the extent to which these reports are true. But neither do I have reliable information that it is not true. Disclaimer: I don't eat foie gras and don't advocate it either.

boudin 7y ago

The actual fact that geese can eat that much and double size (or more) is natural and necessary for their migration. It's possible to make foie gras by just letting the goose eating itself. Acording to my parents when they were living on farms when young, that's the way they were doing it. Just banning the practice of force feeding would make more sense. You can find a few things online about those alternative way https://text.npr.org/s.php?sId=487088946 https://text.npr.org/s.php?sId=487088946

calf 7y ago
I've read about the acorn foie guy, and wasn't sure how legit the story was. If foie gras can be made by having free range geese and plentiful food for them, that would make foie production even more of a luxury item, but at least that would render the gavage controversy no a longer critical issue.
eurg 7y ago
As linked somewhere else, but for video affine people, and directly relevant, see this old Ted talk: https://www.ted.com/talks/dan_barber_s_surprising_foie_gras_parable?language=en https://www.ted.com/talks/dan_barber_s_surprising_foie_gras_...
eurg 7y ago
Below someone quoted this: "it will be assumed that all foie gras came from duck or geese that have been force-fed unless “documentary” evidence is provided to the contrary." So, non-force-feed remains legal.
- boudin 7y ago
  I had missed that, thanks!

ryanlol 7y ago

>The animals are literally force fed with a tube You don't have to buy the force fed kind though.

jlengrand 7y ago

This is a by-product of battery breeding, and not the only way to make foie gras. Geese will feed too much anyways at certain times of the year in their own will. Same as pigs that get removed from their mothers and live in cages barely sized for them. It doesn't have to be that way. Buying responsibly is a first step, and forbidding torturous practises would be another one. Not killing animals at all is yet another discussion.

ivanhoe 7y ago

That's only one way to do it, probably the most efficient one for mass farming. In my country there is a similar delicacy, but instead of tube traditionally geese were fed by hand. Farmers would prepare balls of food, and then those balls were pushed into the geese's beak and down the throat by hand, until it's totally full. This is more time consuming than using a funnel and a tube to just pour the food.