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This is a surefire way to result in misogynistic and violent men, which is indeed what we are seeing in the upsurge in mass shootings.

AnimalMuppet 7y ago
How does having women involved in raising boys result in mass shootings? Because, without some kind of causal mechanism (or at least data showing a statistically valid link), this sounds like you're just making stuff up.
- tathougies 7y ago
  The link exists across all primates (and many mammals). Older men teach young males to behave. This is obvious if you know and speak to men about their childhood. All boys want approval from older men and will act out to get it (girls probably want approval from older women, but that's irrelevant). Anyway I'm not going to write up all the evidence in a post because others have already done so. Here is a good news article which links to a acholarly meta analysis: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-proof-is-infather-abs_b_4941353 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-proof-is-infather-abs_b_4... Also I'm not arguing against female involvement but female only involvement or female dominant involvement. I'm arguing for dedicated parenting by both parents. Women have been raising men since forever and have actually probably had more influence in the past then today. The hand that rocks tge cradle and all. This is great but not a substitute for father's on a societal scale. Men can't substitute for mothers on a societal scale either. But that's not a major issue today the way father absence is. Finally it does not take a very involved reading of history to realize that individual women also utilize male violence for their own ends. Mothers often ignore sons violence or even encourage it to further their own ends. See any mother of medieval or classical kings and princes to realize that women as a class do not share common interests.
  - AnimalMuppet 7y ago
    Ah, I see. So the problem isn't that the schoolteachers are dominantly female. The problem is that the fathers have abdicated as fathers - either through abandonment, divorce, workaholism, or just being absorbed in other things when home. And other men don't step in and fill the gap (relatives, neighbors, coaches, or religious figures). And that circles right back to the article. If men aren't seen as valuable, including as fathers (not just biologically, but in terms of nurture), then more men abandon that role. That leaves more boys growing up with no male role models. That I can buy leading to "misogynistic and violent men", and even to mass shootings.
    - Aloha 7y ago
      Abdicated, or otherwise printed it prohibited from doing that job by changing cultural norms

AnimalMuppet 7y ago

How does having women involved in raising boys result in mass shootings? Because, without some kind of causal mechanism (or at least data showing a statistically valid link), this sounds like you're just making stuff up.

tathougies 7y ago
The link exists across all primates (and many mammals). Older men teach young males to behave. This is obvious if you know and speak to men about their childhood. All boys want approval from older men and will act out to get it (girls probably want approval from older women, but that's irrelevant). Anyway I'm not going to write up all the evidence in a post because others have already done so. Here is a good news article which links to a acholarly meta analysis: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-proof-is-infather-abs_b_4941353 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-proof-is-infather-abs_b_4... Also I'm not arguing against female involvement but female only involvement or female dominant involvement. I'm arguing for dedicated parenting by both parents. Women have been raising men since forever and have actually probably had more influence in the past then today. The hand that rocks tge cradle and all. This is great but not a substitute for father's on a societal scale. Men can't substitute for mothers on a societal scale either. But that's not a major issue today the way father absence is. Finally it does not take a very involved reading of history to realize that individual women also utilize male violence for their own ends. Mothers often ignore sons violence or even encourage it to further their own ends. See any mother of medieval or classical kings and princes to realize that women as a class do not share common interests.
- AnimalMuppet 7y ago
  Ah, I see. So the problem isn't that the schoolteachers are dominantly female. The problem is that the fathers have abdicated as fathers - either through abandonment, divorce, workaholism, or just being absorbed in other things when home. And other men don't step in and fill the gap (relatives, neighbors, coaches, or religious figures). And that circles right back to the article. If men aren't seen as valuable, including as fathers (not just biologically, but in terms of nurture), then more men abandon that role. That leaves more boys growing up with no male role models. That I can buy leading to "misogynistic and violent men", and even to mass shootings.
  - Aloha 7y ago
    Abdicated, or otherwise printed it prohibited from doing that job by changing cultural norms