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"Private schools could be outlawed. Rich parents who want their children to go to better schools can donate to their city's public education budget." This awfu

"Private schools could be outlawed. Rich parents who want their children to go to better schools can donate to their city's public education budget." This awful idea makes sense only if you think the state owns people's children. As a parent it is my right, within certain bounds, to decide how my children are educated.

_bxg1 7y ago
The state already imposes certain basic aspects of welfare on children, from vaccines to the fact that they have to go to school at all. In fact (I believe) private schools already have to be certified by the state. So it wouldn't be an enormous leap to simply stop certifying private organizations that want to play the role of state-certified educational institution.
- Bostonian 7y ago
  Would you ban private after-schools too? For example, my children attend Russian School of Math, which has branches around the country, especially in the Northeast. Chinese parents have created supplemental schools where Chinese language, English, art, contest math and other things are taught. If you ban physical after-schools, do you then ban online classes such as the math classes offered by the Art of Problem Solving?
  - _bxg1 7y ago
    No, just the ones that serve as alternatives to the public ones. Obviously after-school programs, while potentially leading to some of the same problems, would be a much more complicated question.
    - kolbe 7y ago
      You are making assertions that are wildly far off from what the vast majority of educated people believe to be right. I would refrain from using the word "obviously" when it comes to us guessing what is going through your head.
      - _bxg1 7y ago
        I don't know what your problem is, but I'm done engaging with your faux-rationalist posturing and your hyperbolic insults and accusations.
    - throwawaysea 7y ago
      Why wouldn’t we want alternatives? Why grant a monopoly on education where we don’t need one? There is no evidence this maximizes societal outcomes.
  - mattmcknight 7y ago
    In Korea, there have been numerous attempts to ban or limit these after school school activities, educating preschoolers in English, etc. https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/east-asia/article/2127795/south-korean-government-may-delay-ban-teaching-english https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/east-asia/article/2127795/sou... https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/nation/2019/07/181_272659.html https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/nation/2019/07/181_272659.h... http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20180105000636 http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20180105000636 It has gotten to the point where some students are sleeping during compulsory public school classes and doing most of their work at hagwon and then studying into the night.
rfeather 7y ago
We already ban lots of personal choices that are viewed to be harmful to the general population. Smoking in public for example.Given that the impact of private schools is arguably that everyone who can't go gets a worse education, wouldn't it prevent real harm to most to limit the choice of a few or that the impact has to be otherwise mitigated by those that make that choice?

_bxg1 7y ago

The state already imposes certain basic aspects of welfare on children, from vaccines to the fact that they have to go to school at all. In fact (I believe) private schools already have to be certified by the state. So it wouldn't be an enormous leap to simply stop certifying private organizations that want to play the role of state-certified educational institution.

Bostonian 7y ago
Would you ban private after-schools too? For example, my children attend Russian School of Math, which has branches around the country, especially in the Northeast. Chinese parents have created supplemental schools where Chinese language, English, art, contest math and other things are taught. If you ban physical after-schools, do you then ban online classes such as the math classes offered by the Art of Problem Solving?
- _bxg1 7y ago
  No, just the ones that serve as alternatives to the public ones. Obviously after-school programs, while potentially leading to some of the same problems, would be a much more complicated question.
  - kolbe 7y ago
    You are making assertions that are wildly far off from what the vast majority of educated people believe to be right. I would refrain from using the word "obviously" when it comes to us guessing what is going through your head.
    - _bxg1 7y ago
      I don't know what your problem is, but I'm done engaging with your faux-rationalist posturing and your hyperbolic insults and accusations.
  - throwawaysea 7y ago
    Why wouldn’t we want alternatives? Why grant a monopoly on education where we don’t need one? There is no evidence this maximizes societal outcomes.
- mattmcknight 7y ago
  In Korea, there have been numerous attempts to ban or limit these after school school activities, educating preschoolers in English, etc. https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/east-asia/article/2127795/south-korean-government-may-delay-ban-teaching-english https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/east-asia/article/2127795/sou... https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/nation/2019/07/181_272659.html https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/nation/2019/07/181_272659.h... http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20180105000636 http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20180105000636 It has gotten to the point where some students are sleeping during compulsory public school classes and doing most of their work at hagwon and then studying into the night.

rfeather 7y ago

We already ban lots of personal choices that are viewed to be harmful to the general population. Smoking in public for example.Given that the impact of private schools is arguably that everyone who can't go gets a worse education, wouldn't it prevent real harm to most to limit the choice of a few or that the impact has to be otherwise mitigated by those that make that choice?