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Strange, I know several in Sweden who receive social money from the state and can live a decent life and they haven't worked a single hour in their life. How is

Strange, I know several in Sweden who receive social money from the state and can live a decent life and they haven't worked a single hour in their life. How is that possible if "you only get what you put in"? Unemployment is different of course, but that is capped at a very low level so in most cases it is essentially fixed unless you have a private employment insurance.

Faark 7y ago
Totally agree. Short-ish term unemployment is (beside pensions) the only social program I can think of that pays out depending on what you payed in. Thus I also have a real problem with the sentiment of "you have contribute to get taken care of" in GPs original comment. Social programs take care of you based on needs, regardless what you payed in. Healthcare (the public program) gives the same service to everyone while having you to pay a % of income. You won't get neither more housing nor child benefit by having payed in more. Yes, unemployment is a bit of a special case since its goal is to minimize disruption on peoples live in case of sudden job loss. Not just being a basic safety net... those are available to everyone.
- hogFeast 7y ago
  Right, and the thing that you have chosen as the "only" example is probably the most important aspect of the Nordic system, relatively, within European social policy. Great, you have a "real problem"...no-one cares.
hogFeast 7y ago
Yes, I explained that above. Again: in most European countries you will usually get put into a long-term unemployment program. More information: this benefit can and does get removed totally (if you refuse work, it stops), and in most European countries you will be required to essentially perform work in these programs (i.e. retraining). The only way to obtain money without performing work is to be disabled. That is it. Why I have to tell you this is unclear? Just look on the internet. Too much like hard work, amirite comrade? Also, you are not only reasoning from your sample size of "people I know" but that is limited to one country...at least try to be serious.
- username90 7y ago
  I'm from Sweden so that is what I'm aware of, and I have a hard time finding anything aspect with more benefits in the US than in Sweden. For example our unemployment benefits works almost exactly like USA (up to $550 a week in USA but not higher than you earned, up to 20000kr a month in Sweden but not higher than you earned). So I don't see how the American system is special, it seems kinda standard to me. > The only way to obtain money without performing work is to be disabled. That is it. Right, but getting a diagnosis from a psychologist that you are depressed or similar and can't work is not very hard. I've also received this kind of aid before I got a job so I know.

Faark 7y ago

Totally agree. Short-ish term unemployment is (beside pensions) the only social program I can think of that pays out depending on what you payed in. Thus I also have a real problem with the sentiment of "you have contribute to get taken care of" in GPs original comment. Social programs take care of you based on needs, regardless what you payed in. Healthcare (the public program) gives the same service to everyone while having you to pay a % of income. You won't get neither more housing nor child benefit by having payed in more. Yes, unemployment is a bit of a special case since its goal is to minimize disruption on peoples live in case of sudden job loss. Not just being a basic safety net... those are available to everyone.

hogFeast 7y ago
Right, and the thing that you have chosen as the "only" example is probably the most important aspect of the Nordic system, relatively, within European social policy. Great, you have a "real problem"...no-one cares.

hogFeast 7y ago

Yes, I explained that above. Again: in most European countries you will usually get put into a long-term unemployment program. More information: this benefit can and does get removed totally (if you refuse work, it stops), and in most European countries you will be required to essentially perform work in these programs (i.e. retraining). The only way to obtain money without performing work is to be disabled. That is it. Why I have to tell you this is unclear? Just look on the internet. Too much like hard work, amirite comrade? Also, you are not only reasoning from your sample size of "people I know" but that is limited to one country...at least try to be serious.

username90 7y ago
I'm from Sweden so that is what I'm aware of, and I have a hard time finding anything aspect with more benefits in the US than in Sweden. For example our unemployment benefits works almost exactly like USA (up to $550 a week in USA but not higher than you earned, up to 20000kr a month in Sweden but not higher than you earned). So I don't see how the American system is special, it seems kinda standard to me. > The only way to obtain money without performing work is to be disabled. That is it. Right, but getting a diagnosis from a psychologist that you are depressed or similar and can't work is not very hard. I've also received this kind of aid before I got a job so I know.