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Let's take it the other way around and assume it was a murder. > would he not arrange so it would be sent out in case of his death? Not being able to do that

Let's take it the other way around and assume it was a murder. > would he not arrange so it would be sent out in case of his death? Not being able to do that while in high-security confinment. > And what stops the victims of naming names now? Not wanting to die. > what would have stopped Epstein of just not talking and just denying? The only way to be sure he would not talk is to definitely prevent him from talking. Now I'm not saying the murder hypothesis is the correct one, but it still holds water IMHO.

aphextim 7y ago
It also sends a clear message to anyone who may know information to keep their mouth shut. It basically says, "Yeah you can be put on 24/7 security, in a prison cell watched by rotating armed guards and we will still find a way to disable the cameras, get the guards away from you cell, and murder you."
- jermaustin1 7y ago
  Were cameras disabled???
  - rubbingalcohol 7y ago
    Yes, both cameras that watched the cell and hallway outside it had "technical difficulties" and there was no recoverable footage around the time of Epstein's death.
    - topmonk 7y ago
      The camera showing the hallway outside his cell was working, and showed no one leaving or entering during the time period of his death.
      - malvosenior 7y ago
        Do you have a source for that, because I've only ever heard that the camera outside his cell did not provide usable footage.
        stjohnswarts 7y ago
        Same, I read all cameras were "malfunctioning"
      - pvaldes 7y ago
        The problem is that many jails are designed with lots of corridors and halls basically identical. I assume that recording that nothing happened could be as easy as put a number over a different door, (or pick the equivalent door in a different floor), record for a while, stop, remove the number tag, and swap the records.
        topmonk 7y ago
        Yea, I'm sure the people who designed prison procedures didn't think of that before, rolls eyes
        pvaldes 7y ago
        Are those the same people that were unable to notice not one, but two cameras broken pointing to a very special recluse for an undefined amount of time? We could ask the smartest team of architects in the planet to design the most secure jail in the planet and then put idiots at charge. The security of the jail will vanish in a poof of "I couldn't care less about replacing this broken bulb"
        topmonk 7y ago
        > Are those the same people that were unable to notice not one, but two cameras broken pointing to a very special recluse for an undefined amount of time? Did the people who design the prison also work there as security guards? Is that what you're asking? > We could ask the smartest team of architects in the planet to design the most secure jail in the planet and then put idiots at charge. The security of the jail will vanish in a poof of "I couldn't care less about replacing this broken bulb" What does this have to do with what you wrote? This actually sounds that you're arguing that it most likely was a suicide if everyone was so inept. Let me ask, how many times did something like this happen before, do you think, in the last 40 years or so?
      - topmonk 7y ago
        If you have a subscription, here is the source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/investigators-scrutinizing-video-outside-epsteins-cell-find-some-footage-unusable-according-to-people-familiar-with-the-inquiry/2019/08/26/df405636-c827-11e9-a4f3-c081a126de70_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/investigators-scruti... The relevant text: At least one camera in the hallway outside the cell where authorities say registered sex offender Jeffrey Epstein hanged himself earlier this month had footage that is unusable, although other, clearer footage was captured in the area, according to three people briefed on the evidence gathered earlier this month
cc81 7y ago
>Not being able to do that while in high-security confinment. Why would he not be able to do that? He had access to his lawyer, right? Or why would he not be even more upfront and straight up tell the prosecution that someone tried to kill him and that he would spill everything for protection?

aphextim 7y ago

It also sends a clear message to anyone who may know information to keep their mouth shut. It basically says, "Yeah you can be put on 24/7 security, in a prison cell watched by rotating armed guards and we will still find a way to disable the cameras, get the guards away from you cell, and murder you."

jermaustin1 7y ago
Were cameras disabled???
- rubbingalcohol 7y ago
  Yes, both cameras that watched the cell and hallway outside it had "technical difficulties" and there was no recoverable footage around the time of Epstein's death.
  - topmonk 7y ago
    The camera showing the hallway outside his cell was working, and showed no one leaving or entering during the time period of his death.
    - malvosenior 7y ago
      Do you have a source for that, because I've only ever heard that the camera outside his cell did not provide usable footage.
      - stjohnswarts 7y ago
        Same, I read all cameras were "malfunctioning"
    - pvaldes 7y ago
      The problem is that many jails are designed with lots of corridors and halls basically identical. I assume that recording that nothing happened could be as easy as put a number over a different door, (or pick the equivalent door in a different floor), record for a while, stop, remove the number tag, and swap the records.
      - topmonk 7y ago
        Yea, I'm sure the people who designed prison procedures didn't think of that before, rolls eyes
        pvaldes 7y ago
        Are those the same people that were unable to notice not one, but two cameras broken pointing to a very special recluse for an undefined amount of time? We could ask the smartest team of architects in the planet to design the most secure jail in the planet and then put idiots at charge. The security of the jail will vanish in a poof of "I couldn't care less about replacing this broken bulb"
        topmonk 7y ago
        > Are those the same people that were unable to notice not one, but two cameras broken pointing to a very special recluse for an undefined amount of time? Did the people who design the prison also work there as security guards? Is that what you're asking? > We could ask the smartest team of architects in the planet to design the most secure jail in the planet and then put idiots at charge. The security of the jail will vanish in a poof of "I couldn't care less about replacing this broken bulb" What does this have to do with what you wrote? This actually sounds that you're arguing that it most likely was a suicide if everyone was so inept. Let me ask, how many times did something like this happen before, do you think, in the last 40 years or so?
    - topmonk 7y ago
      If you have a subscription, here is the source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/investigators-scrutinizing-video-outside-epsteins-cell-find-some-footage-unusable-according-to-people-familiar-with-the-inquiry/2019/08/26/df405636-c827-11e9-a4f3-c081a126de70_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/investigators-scruti... The relevant text: At least one camera in the hallway outside the cell where authorities say registered sex offender Jeffrey Epstein hanged himself earlier this month had footage that is unusable, although other, clearer footage was captured in the area, according to three people briefed on the evidence gathered earlier this month

cc81 7y ago

>Not being able to do that while in high-security confinment. Why would he not be able to do that? He had access to his lawyer, right? Or why would he not be even more upfront and straight up tell the prosecution that someone tried to kill him and that he would spill everything for protection?