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I want to be excited about this, but amazon basically destroyed any trust I had in them (at least the people that handle AWS). I signed up for the amazon free
by blhack 16y ago
I want to be excited about this, but amazon basically destroyed any trust I had in them (at least the people that handle AWS). I signed up for the amazon free usage tier of AWS, excited to try it out, and really really loving amazon for doing something like that (giving away service for free).
I signed up, spun up an EC2 instance (careful to make sure that this really was free), checked it out for a few minutes, then moved back to my linode and slicehost boxen. I was excited to have another spare machine to try stuff out on for the next year (I really wanted to try nginx as a reverse proxy).
About a month later, I got a bill for $60 from amazon. I tried to find a support chat for AWS (like what slicehost has), but couldn't...tried to find a way of calling them...but couldn't. Finally I sent them some sort of feedback saying "Hey, was this a mistake? Why are you billing me for something that is free?"
The response that I got back was something like "The cost for AWS is $60/mo! Thanks for using AWS!"
To me, this is absurd, and is borderline fraudulent (although I'm sure it was a mistake). Luckily for me, I have a good job, and while eating $60 worth of amazon making a mistake is annoying, it isn't a catastrophe. This wouldn't have been true for me while I was in school though, and wouldn't be true for some of the friends I recommended give AWS a try.
I'm starting to think that stuff like this is where "the cloud" falls apart on people. If I have a problem with my Verizon Business internet, I can call them and talk to somebody until it's fixed. If I have a problem with one of our AT&T telephones, same thing. If the power goes out at our building, I can call down to APS and find out why.
From what I can gather, this absolutely isn't true for google, or amazon, or any of the other "cloud" providers. If I build an email system myself, buy bandwidth/power/rackspace from a colo myself, and manage it myself, there aren't going to be any surprises. If it goes down, I can just look at why. Nobody is going to surprise me with a bill (except maybe the colo).
To be honest, amazon, I don't even plan on building anything on your platform...ever. Same goes for you, google. While I really really love the idea of cloud computering (or elastic computering), I definitely don't love the idea of some faceless company with no customer service of any kind who can arbitrarily just take money from me and doesn't care if I leave.
To me, stuff like this is a massive step backwards.
While not related to AWS, but more "the cloud" in general...look at what happened a few months ago when facebook's OAuth system bailed out for a few hours. Anybody dependent on facebook for login handling was simply SoL without really anything that they could do to solve the problem until facebook fixed it.
How is this desirable?
There was an article here yesterday (an it seems like something like this pops up just about every week) about how the days of the system admin are over. I wouldn't be so sure. You can yell at system admins until you feel better, you can call them endlessly at 3:00am until they wake up, you can tell them that they have to come in to the office RIGHT NOW and fix it RIGHT NOW. (I'm a sys admin, btw)
You can't do this to amazon, you can't do this to google. If amazon email service bails out...sorry, but call back later and maybe it will be fixed.
- corin_ 16y agoWhy are you billing me for something that is free? Can't really respond to that, though as a paying customer, and someone who knows many people who've used the free tier, I would imagine it was a mistake on your end, although maybe they should have been more clear on Ts&Cs or something. Hard to say without knowing more. or any of the other "cloud" providers Google are (in)famous for that problem, AWS I can't honestly say I have any experience with it. But don't just assume it's because they are "cloud" providers. Actually, it's because they are huge companies that, thanks to the (usual) efficiency of their products, can pretty much get away with it. You say you use Linode and Slicehost, their services are the same as Amazon's EC2, yet you presumably know that their support is pretty great. I've been testing PHPfog recently and their support, even in beta while I've been paying nothing to use them, has been excellent. Examples go on and on... it's about the specific companies, not the type of service.
- blhack 16y ago>AWS I can't honestly say I have any experience with it. I can honestly say because I do have experience with it. Maybe it was something I clicked, but that is classic bait and switch. I would have never even considered AWS if it wasn't free and definitely didn't intentionally buy anything from them (as I said, I already have linode and slicehost, which is more than I need). I'm not sure where you're going with this. I'm not saying that absolutely every cloud services provider is terrible, I'm saying that my perception of google, and my experience with amazon, is that they are.
- lazyjeff 16y agoCheck the activity usage report. They break down in quite a bit of detail where the charges are. You can break it down even further by hour. I've used the Free Tier with no charges for over a month now, and have been pretty happy with it. The one thing the Amazon Free Tier does charge for which is strange is regional data transfer (transfer between machines on AWS), but they provide you with 15GB of internet data transfer. Very odd.
- moe 16y ago