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America has become a crazy place. It's like a movie. A man you say is armed, shoplifts a shirt and a belt, then locks himself in a bathroom. So we use APC's, g

America has become a crazy place. It's like a movie. A man you say is armed, shoplifts a shirt and a belt, then locks himself in a bathroom. So we use APC's, grenades, and 40 mm rounds to get at him in a house instead of waiting him out? Just seems, odd.

klipt 7y ago
Shirt: $10 Belt: $20 Grenades: $1000 Destroying your home: priceless.
- shantly 7y ago
  Total loss to Walmart was probably like $10, wholesale, shipping, and stocking. That they pursued him more than about 100 meters is kinda nuts. The "high speed chase" that seems to have preceded this was dumb as hell, too.
  - icebraining 7y ago
    Armed robbery is serious regardless of the amount stolen. Not that it justifies what the cops did, though.
    - shantly 7y ago
      I didn't get the impression they found out he was armed until later. But the article's not especially clear on that point, among others.
      - icebraining 7y ago
        It seems you're right, but he had tried to run over a cop, according to their affidavit: https://www.greenwoodvillage.com/DocumentCenter/View/13916/Affidavit-Seacat https://www.greenwoodvillage.com/DocumentCenter/View/13916/A...
yardie 7y ago
> we use APC's, grenades, and 40 mm rounds This is why I have a big problem with giving US police forces ex-military and subsidized military gear. It's already bad enough they give themselves military rank. Now we give them Bearcats and tactical gear. At some point they're going to treat their constituents as an insurgency.
program_whiz 7y ago
Armed suspects walking around in Walmarts have committed mass murders recently, guessing that might be informing the response to situations like this. You can't have safety and leniency for armed robbers. The suspect was at fault 100%, they committed robbery, had a deadly weapon, and fled the police. Had they not done any of those things, this would not have happened.
- magashna 7y ago
  Kinda overlooking that this guy had his home destroyed and condemned by the city after all this. Are you really saying "tough shit"?
  - program_whiz 7y ago
    No, but I'm asking what the alternative is given that he committed armed robbery, then fired on police. Do they just wait, given that they don't know who or what is inside just to avoid property damage? How would you feel if someone's family was killed while the police were "waiting to avoid hurting the house". Also bear in mind that while the suspect is shooting at the cops, he could have walked out anytime. At the store, during the drive, after the first bullet, the first tear gas canister, etc. He also waited this whole time, and then wants to have the damage paid for.
    - bilbo0s 7y ago
      I didn't want to go here given the anti-police sentiment prevalent in society right now, but your comments are begging for me to point out a few things. One, if the senior officer on site was not aware of what other individuals were in that location, why was he authorizing grenades? Two, Actually, you know what, I'm gonna stop. We don't need any more emotional reactions adding to the noise, no matter how many facts the reactions may be pointing out. Let me just say, there were a lot of things wrong with this takedown as it is being described. My own hope is that there is a lot more to this story than what is being told. If not, it points to poor policy, poor training, and poor judgement. I'll just point out that only one of those is the fault of the officers on site, and leave it at that.

klipt 7y ago

Shirt: $10 Belt: $20 Grenades: $1000 Destroying your home: priceless.

shantly 7y ago
Total loss to Walmart was probably like $10, wholesale, shipping, and stocking. That they pursued him more than about 100 meters is kinda nuts. The "high speed chase" that seems to have preceded this was dumb as hell, too.
- icebraining 7y ago
  Armed robbery is serious regardless of the amount stolen. Not that it justifies what the cops did, though.
  - shantly 7y ago
    I didn't get the impression they found out he was armed until later. But the article's not especially clear on that point, among others.
    - icebraining 7y ago
      It seems you're right, but he had tried to run over a cop, according to their affidavit: https://www.greenwoodvillage.com/DocumentCenter/View/13916/Affidavit-Seacat https://www.greenwoodvillage.com/DocumentCenter/View/13916/A...

yardie 7y ago

> we use APC's, grenades, and 40 mm rounds This is why I have a big problem with giving US police forces ex-military and subsidized military gear. It's already bad enough they give themselves military rank. Now we give them Bearcats and tactical gear. At some point they're going to treat their constituents as an insurgency.

program_whiz 7y ago

Armed suspects walking around in Walmarts have committed mass murders recently, guessing that might be informing the response to situations like this. You can't have safety and leniency for armed robbers. The suspect was at fault 100%, they committed robbery, had a deadly weapon, and fled the police. Had they not done any of those things, this would not have happened.

magashna 7y ago
Kinda overlooking that this guy had his home destroyed and condemned by the city after all this. Are you really saying "tough shit"?
- program_whiz 7y ago
  No, but I'm asking what the alternative is given that he committed armed robbery, then fired on police. Do they just wait, given that they don't know who or what is inside just to avoid property damage? How would you feel if someone's family was killed while the police were "waiting to avoid hurting the house". Also bear in mind that while the suspect is shooting at the cops, he could have walked out anytime. At the store, during the drive, after the first bullet, the first tear gas canister, etc. He also waited this whole time, and then wants to have the damage paid for.
  - bilbo0s 7y ago
    I didn't want to go here given the anti-police sentiment prevalent in society right now, but your comments are begging for me to point out a few things. One, if the senior officer on site was not aware of what other individuals were in that location, why was he authorizing grenades? Two, Actually, you know what, I'm gonna stop. We don't need any more emotional reactions adding to the noise, no matter how many facts the reactions may be pointing out. Let me just say, there were a lot of things wrong with this takedown as it is being described. My own hope is that there is a lot more to this story than what is being told. If not, it points to poor policy, poor training, and poor judgement. I'll just point out that only one of those is the fault of the officers on site, and leave it at that.