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I don't know if he killed himself or not, but it sure looks suspicious. The expectation is that there would be a flurry of investigative journalism lasting perh

by rdtsc 7y ago

I don't know if he killed himself or not, but it sure looks suspicious. The expectation is that there would be a flurry of investigative journalism lasting perhaps months, by different media organizations trying to uncover how he got his money, who flew to his island, or other properties, how many victims he had, interview with his house keepers, lawyers, Ghislaine Maxwell etc. But except for very few news items, there was surprisingly little uptake. You'd think after Weinstein, and #meetoo movement, there would so much interest in finding who is exploiting and abusing girls and young women, especially by someone as connected as Epstein and his "guests". One article was odd: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/janelytvynenko/fdny-review-jeffrey-epstein-4chan-post https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/janelytvynenko/fdny-rev... Odd because it was concerned not with the victims or his connections but that some paramedic or bystander took a picture of Epstein's body as it was wheeled out and posted it on 4chan. And how it was an egregious violation of HIPPA and FDNY should look into investigating that. Not a word whether they should look into investigating why the CCTV cameras didn't work showing exactly how he hanged himself with toilet paper...

shadowgovt 7y ago
It looks suspicious, true, but it inconveniently looks suspicious along precisely the axes that one could expect from simple prison negligence, which is rife in the American systems. This is a real "horses and zebras" situation.
- mistermann 7y ago
  Prison negligence seems unconnected from investigative journalism....why is no one interested in Epstein's crimes?
  - shadowgovt 7y ago
    Plenty of people are interested in Epstein's crimes. The FBI is still chasing evidence discovered during investigation of those crimes (mostly because it could tie to other people's crimes, and mostly without interference from Epstein's estate, since dead people have no Fifth Amendment protection against unreasonable search and seizure). But if the question on the table is "Was Epstein killed to eliminate the possibility he'd implicate others in his criminal confessions," the answer is "Probably not."
    - a0-prw 7y ago
      Until someone rich and famous is charged, I will continue to believe that he probably was either murdered, or allowed to commit suicide.
FireBeyond 7y ago
> but that some paramedic or bystander took a picture of Epstein's body as it was wheeled out and posted it on 4chan. And how it was an egregious violation of HIPPA and FDNY should look into investigating that Apropos of all the other things going on in this case - which lets be honest, were getting plenty of news play - why is this article odd? Because, as a paramedic - fuck whomever did that. I don't care who it is, that is one of the most unprofessional and unethical things we can do. I teach new EMTs and paramedics and we talk about the huge amount of trust and access into the most intimate, worst moments of people's lives, and that's because we have built up this culture of being able to be entrusted to do this. Whether you're giving care to someone bitten by a canine unit after they were found in the woods after an alleged rape, or to a drunk driver who t-boned your ambulance when you had a patient inside, and so on and so forth, if you can't disconnect your personal passion or despising of someone from your ability to provide medical care, you need to not be in this profession. And furthermore, if you see it not just as an opportunity to be unprofessional but to make a buck / publicity out of an abuse of trust, then even more, get out. All firefighters and paramedics are certainly not perfect, but there is also a huge stock in trying to maintain the reputation we have - it's what allows people to tell me what drugs they've taken, etc., or whether there's a chance of pregnancy, when otherwise they might not.
- rdtsc 7y ago
  > Apropos of all the other things going on in this case - which lets be honest, were getting plenty of news play - why is this article odd? Because when it came to this story, most people, who are not paramedics would expect a lot more investigative information around Epstein's story besides the fact that his dead picture leaked to some dark web site full disgusting images. Let's say they followed up the article with another 5 or 10 analyzing the flight logs, unsealed court documents, tried to interview his associates, looked at all his properties, see maybe other inmates heard anything that night. But it didn't happen, it was mostly dropped and instead they called FDNY to ensure there is investigation into the leaked pictures.

by rdtsc 7y ago

shadowgovt 7y ago

It looks suspicious, true, but it inconveniently looks suspicious along precisely the axes that one could expect from simple prison negligence, which is rife in the American systems. This is a real "horses and zebras" situation.

mistermann 7y ago
Prison negligence seems unconnected from investigative journalism....why is no one interested in Epstein's crimes?
- shadowgovt 7y ago
  Plenty of people are interested in Epstein's crimes. The FBI is still chasing evidence discovered during investigation of those crimes (mostly because it could tie to other people's crimes, and mostly without interference from Epstein's estate, since dead people have no Fifth Amendment protection against unreasonable search and seizure). But if the question on the table is "Was Epstein killed to eliminate the possibility he'd implicate others in his criminal confessions," the answer is "Probably not."
  - a0-prw 7y ago
    Until someone rich and famous is charged, I will continue to believe that he probably was either murdered, or allowed to commit suicide.

FireBeyond 7y ago

> but that some paramedic or bystander took a picture of Epstein's body as it was wheeled out and posted it on 4chan. And how it was an egregious violation of HIPPA and FDNY should look into investigating that Apropos of all the other things going on in this case - which lets be honest, were getting plenty of news play - why is this article odd? Because, as a paramedic - fuck whomever did that. I don't care who it is, that is one of the most unprofessional and unethical things we can do. I teach new EMTs and paramedics and we talk about the huge amount of trust and access into the most intimate, worst moments of people's lives, and that's because we have built up this culture of being able to be entrusted to do this. Whether you're giving care to someone bitten by a canine unit after they were found in the woods after an alleged rape, or to a drunk driver who t-boned your ambulance when you had a patient inside, and so on and so forth, if you can't disconnect your personal passion or despising of someone from your ability to provide medical care, you need to not be in this profession. And furthermore, if you see it not just as an opportunity to be unprofessional but to make a buck / publicity out of an abuse of trust, then even more, get out. All firefighters and paramedics are certainly not perfect, but there is also a huge stock in trying to maintain the reputation we have - it's what allows people to tell me what drugs they've taken, etc., or whether there's a chance of pregnancy, when otherwise they might not.

rdtsc 7y ago
> Apropos of all the other things going on in this case - which lets be honest, were getting plenty of news play - why is this article odd? Because when it came to this story, most people, who are not paramedics would expect a lot more investigative information around Epstein's story besides the fact that his dead picture leaked to some dark web site full disgusting images. Let's say they followed up the article with another 5 or 10 analyzing the flight logs, unsealed court documents, tried to interview his associates, looked at all his properties, see maybe other inmates heard anything that night. But it didn't happen, it was mostly dropped and instead they called FDNY to ensure there is investigation into the leaked pictures.