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> Buying time is good only if that time is properly paid for. Buying time is always good if it forestalls doom. Climate change activists who let perfect be th

> Buying time is good only if that time is properly paid for. Buying time is always good if it forestalls doom. Climate change activists who let perfect be the enemy of good will get all of us killed.

hocuspocus 7y ago
Right now we aren't anywhere close to even trying to be on the agreed path towards "not too bad". Not "good" let alone "perfect". Nothing short of catastrophic events will make people give up on their unsustainable lifestyle.
- ubu7737 7y ago
  Sounds like the reasoning of a terrorist. Seriously. If your primary goal is to force people to do something they don't want to do, on principle, call yourself an activist, a freedom-fighter, or a terrorist, I don't care. It's all the same to me. If your primary goal is the survival of the human race, you shouldn't moralize.
  - ajdegol 7y ago
    >If your primary goal is the survival of the human race, you shouldn't moralize. Could you expound on that a bit? The assertion alone doesn't parse.
    - ubu7737 7y ago
      Moralizing about the imperfect behavior of people during a crisis is essentially bikeshedding. It makes me wonder about the people doing the moralizing: do they really care to contribute to the solution, or are they grinding their own personal axe about the behavior of others?
  - hocuspocus 7y ago
    You're the only one talking about morals here, I'm just stating facts. We have seen over 30 years of inaction since the inception of the IPCC, yet activists are the problem?
    - ubu7737 7y ago
      That's a clever way to inject your agenda, but I'm not having it. The immediate problem is ecological collapse, the proposed solution is a Sun-shade, and you're basically shouting that "we'll do nothing until we get to the bottom of the failures of Capitalism!" Enough. This isn't a Parliament and you don't get a liberum veto.

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> Buying time is good only if that time is properly paid for. Buying time is always good if it forestalls doom. Climate change activists who let perfect be th

by ubu7737 7y ago

hocuspocus 7y ago
Right now we aren't anywhere close to even trying to be on the agreed path towards "not too bad". Not "good" let alone "perfect". Nothing short of catastrophic events will make people give up on their unsustainable lifestyle.
- ubu7737 7y ago
  Sounds like the reasoning of a terrorist. Seriously. If your primary goal is to force people to do something they don't want to do, on principle, call yourself an activist, a freedom-fighter, or a terrorist, I don't care. It's all the same to me. If your primary goal is the survival of the human race, you shouldn't moralize.
  - ajdegol 7y ago
    >If your primary goal is the survival of the human race, you shouldn't moralize. Could you expound on that a bit? The assertion alone doesn't parse.
    - ubu7737 7y ago
      Moralizing about the imperfect behavior of people during a crisis is essentially bikeshedding. It makes me wonder about the people doing the moralizing: do they really care to contribute to the solution, or are they grinding their own personal axe about the behavior of others?
  - hocuspocus 7y ago
    You're the only one talking about morals here, I'm just stating facts. We have seen over 30 years of inaction since the inception of the IPCC, yet activists are the problem?
    - ubu7737 7y ago
      That's a clever way to inject your agenda, but I'm not having it. The immediate problem is ecological collapse, the proposed solution is a Sun-shade, and you're basically shouting that "we'll do nothing until we get to the bottom of the failures of Capitalism!" Enough. This isn't a Parliament and you don't get a liberum veto.