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The criminal justice / mental health field being what it is, I do not find it surprising in the least that a reviled kiddie-fucker would be allowed, by several

The criminal justice / mental health field being what it is, I do not find it surprising in the least that a reviled kiddie-fucker would be allowed, by several levels of people involved, 15 minutes alone, along with plausibly accidental access to a means to kill themselves. The breaking of the hyoid bone is, in fact, not uncommon in hangings. Nor is the breaking of the cartilage. Nor is hemorrhaging in the face or eyes. Nor is blatant disregard for the fate of a paedophile, who in nobody's right mind could conceivably be innocent.

EpicEng 7y ago
>The breaking of the hyoid bone is, in fact, not uncommon in hangings. Nor is the breaking of the cartilage. Nor is hemorrhaging in the face or eyes. You're directly contradicting an expect here. Have any sources to back that up?
- camel_Snake 7y ago
  Not the parent but here's the first google result: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20973326 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20973326 TLDR happens ~25% of the time for males.
  - hnuser77 7y ago
    That may be 25% of all hangings, but I imagine the rate would be lower for hangings occurred by a 6ft tall person off a 6ft tall bed post.
    - mcbuilder 7y ago
      Yeah, I would be surprised if Epstein had any sort of drop if it was suicide. It's not like he had the means to tie a rope to a fan and kicked the bucket. If he did do it, it would be very ad hoc.
- arbitrage 7y ago
  And you're blithely accepting the word of an expert who was paid to investigate the official autopsy, on behalf of Epstein's brother? Have any sources, etc.?
  - EpicEng 7y ago
    Sources for what exactly? I never said that. What I said is that we have a very well credentialed and highly experienced expert saying A, and then we have random internet guy contradicting him with nothing to support his claims. You think taking what you say at face value would be the reasonable thing to do?
    - lazyasciiart 7y ago
      Why wouldn't you take the word of the well credentialed expert that did the actual investigation and pronounced it suicide?
  - softawre 7y ago
    Expert in their field versus random forum commenter is obviously a he said she said.

EpicEng 7y ago

>The breaking of the hyoid bone is, in fact, not uncommon in hangings. Nor is the breaking of the cartilage. Nor is hemorrhaging in the face or eyes. You're directly contradicting an expect here. Have any sources to back that up?

camel_Snake 7y ago
Not the parent but here's the first google result: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20973326 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20973326 TLDR happens ~25% of the time for males.
- hnuser77 7y ago
  That may be 25% of all hangings, but I imagine the rate would be lower for hangings occurred by a 6ft tall person off a 6ft tall bed post.
  - mcbuilder 7y ago
    Yeah, I would be surprised if Epstein had any sort of drop if it was suicide. It's not like he had the means to tie a rope to a fan and kicked the bucket. If he did do it, it would be very ad hoc.
arbitrage 7y ago
And you're blithely accepting the word of an expert who was paid to investigate the official autopsy, on behalf of Epstein's brother? Have any sources, etc.?
- EpicEng 7y ago
  Sources for what exactly? I never said that. What I said is that we have a very well credentialed and highly experienced expert saying A, and then we have random internet guy contradicting him with nothing to support his claims. You think taking what you say at face value would be the reasonable thing to do?
  - lazyasciiart 7y ago
    Why wouldn't you take the word of the well credentialed expert that did the actual investigation and pronounced it suicide?
- softawre 7y ago
  Expert in their field versus random forum commenter is obviously a he said she said.