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He was taken off of suicide watch, so he had all the materials he needed to kill himself. Also...every person I've read with working knowledge of that prison ha
by partiallypro 7y ago
He was taken off of suicide watch, so he had all the materials he needed to kill himself. Also...every person I've read with working knowledge of that prison has stressed the gross negligence and incompetence there.
- AndrewBissell 7y agoThis was the same prison that somehow held El Chapo, a serial jailbreaker, in custody throughout his trial. They can be competent when actually motivated to do so.
- RobAtticus 7y agoEl Chapo broke out of Mexican prisons where his ability to influence guards/staff is much greater than a US prison. Also, being able to prevent someone from breaking out and preventing someone from killing themselves seem like two different classes of problems. Being good enough to prevent one doesn't necessarily imply being good enough to prevent the other.
- weaksauce 7y agofun fact, one of el chapo's attornies signed epstein's trust creation certificate in the days before epstein died.
- goatinaboat 7y agohe had all the materials he needed to kill himself He is alleged to have hung himself with materials no stronger than tissue paper.
- partiallypro 7y agoSays who? He was hung with a bed sheet.
- goatinaboat 7y agoPlenty of sources for this e.g. https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2019/08/10/former-mcc-inmate-theres-no-way-jeffrey-epstein-killed-himself/amp/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2019/08/10/former-mc... There’s no way that man could have killed himself. I’ve done too much time in those units. It’s an impossibility. Between the floor and the ceiling is like 8 or 9 feet. There’s no way for you to connect to anything. You have sheets, but they’re paper level, not strong enough. He was 200 pounds — it would never happen.
- partiallypro 7y agoThe very fact that his article says he was on suicide watch (he wasn't) makes its entire claim wrong. That's the entire premise of the article...you get very thin sheets while on suicide watch (sometimes they even take them away.) Of course he wasn't on suicide watch and had normal sheets.
- shoes_for_thee 7y agoThis interview always bothered me because the author seems to think that hanging yourself necessarily involves hanging from a ceiling...
- bryanrasmussen 7y agoyeah but every noted pathologist who I've read with working knowledge of the case - which is the one in the linked article - says it looks like murder.
- partiallypro 7y agoHe actually didn't say it was definitely murder, he said suicide was ruled the cause too quickly and they should have waited on DNA testing.
- celticmusic 7y agoHe said much more than that... For example, he pointed out that broken bones are very rare in suicide cases like this, and multiple fractures is even rarer.
- partiallypro 7y agoThis was already stated well before this article by multiples pathologists. While most agreed that they are rare...the rarity decreases with the age of the person.