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I'm fascinated by the idea that someone could have killed and successfully covered up a murder this high profile. How do you handle the guards? How do you keep

I'm fascinated by the idea that someone could have killed and successfully covered up a murder this high profile. How do you handle the guards? How do you keep the other inmates quiet? Can you get away with bribing a single guard or is a larger operation needed? If you bribe people, how do you get the money to them? How do you keep them quiet when the inevitable investigation happens? I don't think it's impossible, but if this was a murder then it's fascinating that someone could be this good at assassination.

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justicezyx 7y ago
Remember what Hilter said before?
- AnimalMuppet 7y ago
  No, I don't. Could you be more specific, rather than just hinting?
  - grouseway 7y ago
    My guess is that he is referring to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie The expression was coined by Adolf Hitler, when he dictated his 1925 book Mein Kampf, about the use of a lie so "colossal" that no one would believe that someone "could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously".
sp332 7y ago
The inmates talked. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-death-shrieking-heard-jail-cell-morning-he-died-metropolitan-correctional-center/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-death-shrieking... If there was a conspiracy involving the guards, it involved at least two of them. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/13/nyregion/jeffrey-epstein-jail-officers.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/13/nyregion/jeffrey-epstein-... (Non-paywalled summary https://thehill.com/homenews/457346-epstein-guards-fell-asleep-did-not-check-him-for-hours-report https://thehill.com/homenews/457346-epstein-guards-fell-asle... )
AndrewBissell 7y ago
It's a little early to call the cover-up "successful." The fact that Baden is on nationwide news media questioning the official suicide narrative probably means a few loose threads haven't been snipped yet.
AnimalMuppet 7y ago
So it's in the "quite difficult, but not impossible" category. The question then is, who would want him dead that badly, and have the resources to carry it out? Given the circles he ran in and the dirt he might have had on people, a surprising number of people might have had both the means and the motive. Mind you, I'm not saying that it was murder. I'm just saying that the degree of difficulty isn't as big a barrier as it would seem.
- goatinaboat 7y ago
  who would want him dead that badly, and have the resources to carry it out? Perhaps someone who flew on the Lolita Express 27 times? Or a close relative?
  - goodfight 7y ago
    Clinton Body Count
kgwxd 7y ago
I would think anyone privy to the situation would be handled the same way, by threat of death to them or loved ones. Maybe a little cash to ease the mental burden. I'd like to think I could withstand such a threat like a fictional hero, but I have my doubts. I hope to never know for sure.
- ars 7y ago
  A fictional hero usually has a motivation to withstand the threat, the show usually works hard to setup the motivation. I doubt most people, or heroes, withstand the threat when they don't actually care. Do you personally care if Epstein is alive or dead?
- bdamm 7y ago
  I do happen to know that for me to ignore murder took nothing more than the implied threat that I would be murdered myself by the team doing the murder. I learned my lesson; getting away with murder is not hard for people that are good at it.
  - jacquesm 7y ago
    Wow. That's quite the comment. Especially from someone easily traced. Are you sure you want to leave this up?
zzzcpan 7y ago
> I'm fascinated by the idea that someone could have killed and successfully covered up a murder this high profile. What reasons could there be to cover up non high profile murders? High profile is where all the covering up happens.
jowday 7y ago
It's likely Epstein was tied up with CIA. Once they enter the picture, everything's fair game. https://observer.com/2019/07/jeffrey-epstein-spy-intelligence-work/ https://observer.com/2019/07/jeffrey-epstein-spy-intelligenc...
- castlecrasher2 7y ago
  Honestly this seems the only reasonable explanation considering how long it was known he was doing what he was doing.
- hnuser77 7y ago
  Maybe not. From this article, "...it probably wasn’t American intelligence, either."
- throwaway829 7y ago
  Robert Maxwell has been accused of being a Mossad agent. Ghislaine Maxwell was the daughter of Robert Maxwell. Upon his death, six serving and former heads of Israeli intelligence services attended his funeral in Israel, while Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir eulogized him and stated: “He has done more for Israel than can today be said." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Maxwell https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Maxwell
  - malvosenior 7y ago
    Wexner (who gave Epstein his initial fortune) is also suspected to be Mossad: https://www.mintpressnews.com/mega-group-maxwells-mossad-spy-story-jeffrey-epstein-scandal/261172/ https://www.mintpressnews.com/mega-group-maxwells-mossad-spy...
- cwkoss 7y ago
  I think some intelligence agency (even money CIA or Mossad) was using Epstein's tapes of powerful people engaged in pedophilia as kompromat to blackmail powerful men into being subservient to their interests.
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x220 7y ago
Bribe the two guards with cash. Threaten to kill them and their families if they talk. It's pretty straightforward. Most people think that they are good people and would do the right thing in this situation, even though most people have no reason whatsoever to believe that they would act morally right if it became a serious sacrifice.
- grawprog 7y ago
  >Most people think that they are good people and would do the right thing in this situation, Nope, straight up, some people come up to me, bribe me and threaten me or my family so they can kill a pedophile and I wouldn't hesitate for a second. I'd hand them the keys and walk away.
  - x220 7y ago
    I think it's good that you admit this. You're less likely to put yourself in a situation where you could do bad things.
- dorkwood 7y ago
  I’m not the parent commenter, but even this seems less straightforward than you’re making out. For example, how do you know which guards are assigned to Epstein’s cell, and how do you get in contact with them? Is it only one guard, or are there several in rotation? Where do you get this information? Once they accept your bribe, how do you get the money to them? I’m just thinking about the logistics of the situation. Surely someone who can do all of this stuff would be considered skilful.
  - zzzcpan 7y ago
    > Surely someone who can do all of this stuff would be considered skilful. Or merely someone who guards report to.
  - x220 7y ago
    Someone with a background in national intelligence would be very proficient at doing all of this.
code_duck 7y ago
A relatively small amount of people would need to be persuaded/bribed. And how does the perpetrating party keep them quiet? Well, they just demonstrated that they have the desire and ability to kill someone and get away with it. Especially easy to get people to comply given that the general societal consensus is that pedophiles deserve death without due process, regardless of their proscribed legal punishment.
threatofrain 7y ago
Perhaps the machinery was already long corrupt, and so being in prison means being close to someone's grasp at all times.
trhway 7y ago
>How do you handle the guards? How do you keep the other inmates quiet? i think it is much easier task than what happened in Florida in 2008 and the years after when the federal and the state prosecutors and the FBI and the judges all were basically working on the Epstein side to make sure that the slam dunk serial pedophile charges would get nowhere. You can't directly buy that with money. That was done by some large power and influence from behind the scene (influential enough to make all those participants to accept the obviously fake CIA cover as a way out). Couple prison guards and non-working cameras is just a minor thing for such power and influence.
micmil 7y ago
Money. Money. Yes. Walk up and hand it to them. Money.

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justicezyx 7y ago

Remember what Hilter said before?

AnimalMuppet 7y ago
No, I don't. Could you be more specific, rather than just hinting?
- grouseway 7y ago
  My guess is that he is referring to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie The expression was coined by Adolf Hitler, when he dictated his 1925 book Mein Kampf, about the use of a lie so "colossal" that no one would believe that someone "could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously".

sp332 7y ago

The inmates talked. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-death-shrieking-heard-jail-cell-morning-he-died-metropolitan-correctional-center/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-death-shrieking... If there was a conspiracy involving the guards, it involved at least two of them. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/13/nyregion/jeffrey-epstein-jail-officers.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/13/nyregion/jeffrey-epstein-... (Non-paywalled summary https://thehill.com/homenews/457346-epstein-guards-fell-asleep-did-not-check-him-for-hours-report https://thehill.com/homenews/457346-epstein-guards-fell-asle... )

AndrewBissell 7y ago

It's a little early to call the cover-up "successful." The fact that Baden is on nationwide news media questioning the official suicide narrative probably means a few loose threads haven't been snipped yet.

AnimalMuppet 7y ago

So it's in the "quite difficult, but not impossible" category. The question then is, who would want him dead that badly, and have the resources to carry it out? Given the circles he ran in and the dirt he might have had on people, a surprising number of people might have had both the means and the motive. Mind you, I'm not saying that it was murder. I'm just saying that the degree of difficulty isn't as big a barrier as it would seem.

goatinaboat 7y ago
who would want him dead that badly, and have the resources to carry it out? Perhaps someone who flew on the Lolita Express 27 times? Or a close relative?
- goodfight 7y ago
  Clinton Body Count

kgwxd 7y ago

I would think anyone privy to the situation would be handled the same way, by threat of death to them or loved ones. Maybe a little cash to ease the mental burden. I'd like to think I could withstand such a threat like a fictional hero, but I have my doubts. I hope to never know for sure.

ars 7y ago
A fictional hero usually has a motivation to withstand the threat, the show usually works hard to setup the motivation. I doubt most people, or heroes, withstand the threat when they don't actually care. Do you personally care if Epstein is alive or dead?
bdamm 7y ago
I do happen to know that for me to ignore murder took nothing more than the implied threat that I would be murdered myself by the team doing the murder. I learned my lesson; getting away with murder is not hard for people that are good at it.
- jacquesm 7y ago
  Wow. That's quite the comment. Especially from someone easily traced. Are you sure you want to leave this up?

zzzcpan 7y ago

> I'm fascinated by the idea that someone could have killed and successfully covered up a murder this high profile. What reasons could there be to cover up non high profile murders? High profile is where all the covering up happens.

jowday 7y ago

It's likely Epstein was tied up with CIA. Once they enter the picture, everything's fair game. https://observer.com/2019/07/jeffrey-epstein-spy-intelligence-work/ https://observer.com/2019/07/jeffrey-epstein-spy-intelligenc...

castlecrasher2 7y ago
Honestly this seems the only reasonable explanation considering how long it was known he was doing what he was doing.
hnuser77 7y ago
Maybe not. From this article, "...it probably wasn’t American intelligence, either."
throwaway829 7y ago
Robert Maxwell has been accused of being a Mossad agent. Ghislaine Maxwell was the daughter of Robert Maxwell. Upon his death, six serving and former heads of Israeli intelligence services attended his funeral in Israel, while Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir eulogized him and stated: “He has done more for Israel than can today be said." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Maxwell https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Maxwell
- malvosenior 7y ago
  Wexner (who gave Epstein his initial fortune) is also suspected to be Mossad: https://www.mintpressnews.com/mega-group-maxwells-mossad-spy-story-jeffrey-epstein-scandal/261172/ https://www.mintpressnews.com/mega-group-maxwells-mossad-spy...
cwkoss 7y ago
I think some intelligence agency (even money CIA or Mossad) was using Epstein's tapes of powerful people engaged in pedophilia as kompromat to blackmail powerful men into being subservient to their interests.
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x220 7y ago

Bribe the two guards with cash. Threaten to kill them and their families if they talk. It's pretty straightforward. Most people think that they are good people and would do the right thing in this situation, even though most people have no reason whatsoever to believe that they would act morally right if it became a serious sacrifice.

grawprog 7y ago
>Most people think that they are good people and would do the right thing in this situation, Nope, straight up, some people come up to me, bribe me and threaten me or my family so they can kill a pedophile and I wouldn't hesitate for a second. I'd hand them the keys and walk away.
- x220 7y ago
  I think it's good that you admit this. You're less likely to put yourself in a situation where you could do bad things.
dorkwood 7y ago
I’m not the parent commenter, but even this seems less straightforward than you’re making out. For example, how do you know which guards are assigned to Epstein’s cell, and how do you get in contact with them? Is it only one guard, or are there several in rotation? Where do you get this information? Once they accept your bribe, how do you get the money to them? I’m just thinking about the logistics of the situation. Surely someone who can do all of this stuff would be considered skilful.
- zzzcpan 7y ago
  > Surely someone who can do all of this stuff would be considered skilful. Or merely someone who guards report to.
- x220 7y ago
  Someone with a background in national intelligence would be very proficient at doing all of this.

code_duck 7y ago

A relatively small amount of people would need to be persuaded/bribed. And how does the perpetrating party keep them quiet? Well, they just demonstrated that they have the desire and ability to kill someone and get away with it. Especially easy to get people to comply given that the general societal consensus is that pedophiles deserve death without due process, regardless of their proscribed legal punishment.

threatofrain 7y ago

Perhaps the machinery was already long corrupt, and so being in prison means being close to someone's grasp at all times.

trhway 7y ago

>How do you handle the guards? How do you keep the other inmates quiet? i think it is much easier task than what happened in Florida in 2008 and the years after when the federal and the state prosecutors and the FBI and the judges all were basically working on the Epstein side to make sure that the slam dunk serial pedophile charges would get nowhere. You can't directly buy that with money. That was done by some large power and influence from behind the scene (influential enough to make all those participants to accept the obviously fake CIA cover as a way out). Couple prison guards and non-working cameras is just a minor thing for such power and influence.

micmil 7y ago

Money. Money. Yes. Walk up and hand it to them. Money.