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How about maybe stop trying to find the cheapest people you can?

by learc83 7y ago

V-2 7y ago
Much easier in a world where consumers stop trying to find the cheapest product they can.
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- xhruso00 7y ago
  It’s competition and consumers gets scammed as well. Packaging&Brand increase the price. If a consumer want quality he has to do some research as well.
calimac 7y ago
This is not about finding cheap labor. It is more so about the cheap labor competing to look more desirable than the competing cheap labor.
collyw 7y ago
I have worked on agency produced apps made in Stockholm, and they were pretty crap as well. The agency charged about 3 times my salary equivalent. Paying a lot doesn't necessarily get you better work.
- learc83 7y ago
  Of course it doesn't, but hiring people in a country with a functioning court system that follows the rule of law decreases your chance of being scammed. And at the very least offers a possible remedy if you are scammed. Beyond being scammed, your chance of finding a great developer by looking for the cheapest developer is very low.
  - collyw 7y ago
    OK, that's true.
seppin 7y ago
Or do, but stop complaining about the consequences of doing so.
rsync 7y ago
"How about maybe stop trying to find the cheapest people you can?" I have personal projects and experimental setups that I need freelance help with. They are non-profit and it is unknown how I will even use the eventual work-product ... ... so it's not ridiculous that I might look for a temporary worker (as opposed to hiring a full time dev, as has been suggested elsewhere in this comment thread) nor is it ridiculous that I might be very price sensitive. It is, however, ridiculous that one cannot embark on such an endeavor without a reasonable expectation of being scammed. I couldn't care less what country someone comes from nor what their native language is, etc. - I am happy to work with anyone that can deliver. However, this article - along with my own experience - suggests one needs to be cautious of outright fraud perpetrated by despicable actors.
- learc83 7y ago
  If you are so price sensitive that you have to look for someone in a low cost of living country, don't be surprised that your risk of being scammed is higher. There is basically no legal remedy if someone from a country with no functioning rule of law and limited access to the courts for foreigners scams you. And the people you are hiring are aware that there is no real consequence to scamming you. In a perfect world no one would scam you, but then again in a perfect world you wouldn't be looking for people who live in developing countries to do cheap work for you.

How about maybe stop trying to find the cheapest people you can?

V-2 7y ago

Much easier in a world where consumers stop trying to find the cheapest product they can.

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xhruso00 7y ago
It’s competition and consumers gets scammed as well. Packaging&Brand increase the price. If a consumer want quality he has to do some research as well.

calimac 7y ago

This is not about finding cheap labor. It is more so about the cheap labor competing to look more desirable than the competing cheap labor.

collyw 7y ago

I have worked on agency produced apps made in Stockholm, and they were pretty crap as well. The agency charged about 3 times my salary equivalent. Paying a lot doesn't necessarily get you better work.

learc83 7y ago
Of course it doesn't, but hiring people in a country with a functioning court system that follows the rule of law decreases your chance of being scammed. And at the very least offers a possible remedy if you are scammed. Beyond being scammed, your chance of finding a great developer by looking for the cheapest developer is very low.
- collyw 7y ago
  OK, that's true.

seppin 7y ago

Or do, but stop complaining about the consequences of doing so.

rsync 7y ago

"How about maybe stop trying to find the cheapest people you can?" I have personal projects and experimental setups that I need freelance help with. They are non-profit and it is unknown how I will even use the eventual work-product ... ... so it's not ridiculous that I might look for a temporary worker (as opposed to hiring a full time dev, as has been suggested elsewhere in this comment thread) nor is it ridiculous that I might be very price sensitive. It is, however, ridiculous that one cannot embark on such an endeavor without a reasonable expectation of being scammed. I couldn't care less what country someone comes from nor what their native language is, etc. - I am happy to work with anyone that can deliver. However, this article - along with my own experience - suggests one needs to be cautious of outright fraud perpetrated by despicable actors.

learc83 7y ago
If you are so price sensitive that you have to look for someone in a low cost of living country, don't be surprised that your risk of being scammed is higher. There is basically no legal remedy if someone from a country with no functioning rule of law and limited access to the courts for foreigners scams you. And the people you are hiring are aware that there is no real consequence to scamming you. In a perfect world no one would scam you, but then again in a perfect world you wouldn't be looking for people who live in developing countries to do cheap work for you.