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It is easy to ban vape pods, it is impossible to ban cigarettes. The problem isn't the vice itself, it is the demand for the vice. There isn't yet a huge vape

by screye 7y ago

It is easy to ban vape pods, it is impossible to ban cigarettes. The problem isn't the vice itself, it is the demand for the vice. There isn't yet a huge vape smuggling industry anywhere. Also, if banning vapes helps reduce the rate at which it is getting trendy among teenagers then I fully support it. For one, cigarettes are not considered cool anymore, and will meet their inevitable death soon. Second, cigarettes can't be banned, because addicts will be forced into smuggling or moving to harder stuff. Third, Cigarettes have a ready smuggling industry that will take over, the second they are banned. The analogy would be like leaving a bad marriage. It is a lot easier to divorce someone who will amiably accept than an extremely abusive partner where dissent puts your health at risk. Cigarettes are the abusive partner. Banning cigarettes would be prohibition all over again. The vape ban has not been as bad of a disaster yet, so I can see why the govt. would want to continue with it.

leshow 7y ago
Banning vape products will just lead to this happening again and again with black market vape products. It needs to be regulated and meet health & safety standards. The concept of vaping nicotine oil exists now, it is not going to go away. We get to choose whether people do it illegally, with greater health risk, or legally with less health risk (if we regulate it properly).
- soylentcola 7y ago
  Just a nitpick: there is no "oil" in vape liquid. That would be very bad. It's typically nicotine, VG/PG (essentially glycerines like you'd use in a fog machine, but medical/food grade), and often a small amount of food flavoring concentrate suspended in the same VG or PG base. I quit smoking with this stuff and eventually dropped off the nicotine. I made my own liquid because I could source the ingredients myself, control how much nicotine I used, and knew exactly what I was puffing on...something I couldn't say when I still smoked.
  - gimmeasandwich 7y ago
    Not a smoker but what you described here seems like it would apply if you rolled your own cigarettes.
EpicEng 7y ago
>Also, if banning vapes helps reduce the rate at which it is getting trendy among teenagers then I fully support it. Yes, because prohibitions have always worked out marvelously, the list of bad things kids get into is small, and won't someone please think of the children?! If you're all for banning dangerous things that adults enjoy which we also prohibit children from doing, you're list is going to grow quite long.
- cwkoss 7y ago
  Banning vape cartridges would likely increase the proportion of vapes that contain contaminants.
- screye 7y ago
  Yeah, that was a big "IF". But, we will see. If it fails, reverse the ban...I guess. In many countries cigarette companies are not allowed to advertise as trendy or cool. Their packages are forced to contain photos of people affected by lung cancer and big signs saying the same. It really does help make smoking appear uncool. Juul and vaping companies have gone around unchecked in this regard. Even if the ban is reserved I would be a huge supporter of such adversarial marketing restrictions. > and won't someone please think of the children Adults have way better impulse control. Thinking about the children is a legitimate concern, when talking about things with massive doses of nicotine. > list is going to grow quite long. If the world worked the way I wanted and laws had 100% efficacy, alcohol would be banned too. But, alas it is so deeply ingrained into our collective social psyche that it is going nowhere. Apart from alcohol and pot, what adult thing can't minors enjoy ? That's the list.
  - EpicEng 7y ago
    >Yeah, that was a big "IF". But, we will see. If it fails, reverse the ban...I guess. And in the meantime, how many adults have you harmed by taking away an effective smoking cessation device in some naive attempt to protect children from a threat that you can't even quantify? Treat them like cigarette companies when it comes to advertising, I'm all for that, but don't take away flavors or ban them outright out of fear. >when talking about things with massive doses of nicotine No one is dying from nicotine. >f the world worked the way I wanted and laws had 100% efficacy, alcohol would be banned too. But, alas it is so deeply ingrained into our collective social psyche that it is going nowhere. Jesus.

by screye 7y ago

leshow 7y ago

Banning vape products will just lead to this happening again and again with black market vape products. It needs to be regulated and meet health & safety standards. The concept of vaping nicotine oil exists now, it is not going to go away. We get to choose whether people do it illegally, with greater health risk, or legally with less health risk (if we regulate it properly).

soylentcola 7y ago
Just a nitpick: there is no "oil" in vape liquid. That would be very bad. It's typically nicotine, VG/PG (essentially glycerines like you'd use in a fog machine, but medical/food grade), and often a small amount of food flavoring concentrate suspended in the same VG or PG base. I quit smoking with this stuff and eventually dropped off the nicotine. I made my own liquid because I could source the ingredients myself, control how much nicotine I used, and knew exactly what I was puffing on...something I couldn't say when I still smoked.
- gimmeasandwich 7y ago
  Not a smoker but what you described here seems like it would apply if you rolled your own cigarettes.

EpicEng 7y ago

>Also, if banning vapes helps reduce the rate at which it is getting trendy among teenagers then I fully support it. Yes, because prohibitions have always worked out marvelously, the list of bad things kids get into is small, and won't someone please think of the children?! If you're all for banning dangerous things that adults enjoy which we also prohibit children from doing, you're list is going to grow quite long.

cwkoss 7y ago
Banning vape cartridges would likely increase the proportion of vapes that contain contaminants.
screye 7y ago
Yeah, that was a big "IF". But, we will see. If it fails, reverse the ban...I guess. In many countries cigarette companies are not allowed to advertise as trendy or cool. Their packages are forced to contain photos of people affected by lung cancer and big signs saying the same. It really does help make smoking appear uncool. Juul and vaping companies have gone around unchecked in this regard. Even if the ban is reserved I would be a huge supporter of such adversarial marketing restrictions. > and won't someone please think of the children Adults have way better impulse control. Thinking about the children is a legitimate concern, when talking about things with massive doses of nicotine. > list is going to grow quite long. If the world worked the way I wanted and laws had 100% efficacy, alcohol would be banned too. But, alas it is so deeply ingrained into our collective social psyche that it is going nowhere. Apart from alcohol and pot, what adult thing can't minors enjoy ? That's the list.
- EpicEng 7y ago
  >Yeah, that was a big "IF". But, we will see. If it fails, reverse the ban...I guess. And in the meantime, how many adults have you harmed by taking away an effective smoking cessation device in some naive attempt to protect children from a threat that you can't even quantify? Treat them like cigarette companies when it comes to advertising, I'm all for that, but don't take away flavors or ban them outright out of fear. >when talking about things with massive doses of nicotine No one is dying from nicotine. >f the world worked the way I wanted and laws had 100% efficacy, alcohol would be banned too. But, alas it is so deeply ingrained into our collective social psyche that it is going nowhere. Jesus.