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Well by that logic you could say the same thing about retired people that take part time jobs just so they have something to do every day. They're not necessar

Well by that logic you could say the same thing about retired people that take part time jobs just so they have something to do every day. They're not necessarily doing it for the money, and most states in the US allow you to quit at any time without repercussions, but it'd still be illegal to have them work for free. It's more about whether the person is doing 'employee-like' duties and how much control the company has over the person's actions that determines whether they should be classified as an employee or not. Users can come and go as they please, and post as infrequently as they like. Moderators, however, must post with a certain frequency or risk being demoted.

hombre_fatal 7y ago
Well, it's like you're saying volunteer work should never exist. You absolutely have employee-like duties at the volunteer soup kitchen and basically any volunteer outfit. If someone really is just doing something to keep themselves busy and they are perfectly happy not being paid, then that seems like a fair deal to me. I've done that when my buddy started a bar at the beach. I would help him take orders while I sat down there and he got some intermittent help. What's the matter? Groveling for money changes the entire relationship into something that I do not want. I think you have to make the case that there's some sort of exploitation going on. I could see how you'd make that argument regarding a 16yo "intern" who bought your bullshit that they are bussing your tables 18 hours a day for "work experience". But you lost me on your own example. Let's say, suggesting that a retired millionaire who voluntarily takes orders at a bar for four hours a day for fun is being exploited unless they're paid $2.15/hr like the other staff.
- RyanCavanaugh 7y ago
  The critical distinction here is that a soup kitchen is not a for-profit venture, but Stack Exchange is.
  - hombre_fatal 7y ago
    It's certainly not a distinction users care about. And apparently it's not the distinction the law cares about either since it's clearly much more complex than that. My forum is for-profit and users will line up around the block to be a moderator. Why is it that the only compensation we can wrap our heads around is money?
- dlgeek 7y ago
  > Well, it's like you're saying volunteer work should never exist. You're missing "at a for-profit company". Once you'd add that, I (and NY) would say "Yes". (But I'm not the GP).

hombre_fatal 7y ago

Well, it's like you're saying volunteer work should never exist. You absolutely have employee-like duties at the volunteer soup kitchen and basically any volunteer outfit. If someone really is just doing something to keep themselves busy and they are perfectly happy not being paid, then that seems like a fair deal to me. I've done that when my buddy started a bar at the beach. I would help him take orders while I sat down there and he got some intermittent help. What's the matter? Groveling for money changes the entire relationship into something that I do not want. I think you have to make the case that there's some sort of exploitation going on. I could see how you'd make that argument regarding a 16yo "intern" who bought your bullshit that they are bussing your tables 18 hours a day for "work experience". But you lost me on your own example. Let's say, suggesting that a retired millionaire who voluntarily takes orders at a bar for four hours a day for fun is being exploited unless they're paid $2.15/hr like the other staff.

RyanCavanaugh 7y ago
The critical distinction here is that a soup kitchen is not a for-profit venture, but Stack Exchange is.
- hombre_fatal 7y ago
  It's certainly not a distinction users care about. And apparently it's not the distinction the law cares about either since it's clearly much more complex than that. My forum is for-profit and users will line up around the block to be a moderator. Why is it that the only compensation we can wrap our heads around is money?
dlgeek 7y ago
> Well, it's like you're saying volunteer work should never exist. You're missing "at a for-profit company". Once you'd add that, I (and NY) would say "Yes". (But I'm not the GP).