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All this attention.... and yet billions of cigarettes are smoked every day, and one could say every single one of those cigarettes has been "contaminated" for 5

by dpcan 7y ago

All this attention.... and yet billions of cigarettes are smoked every day, and one could say every single one of those cigarettes has been "contaminated" for 50+ years. Why are we not stopping cigarettes from being shipped around the U.S. immediately under these exact same concerns?

bradstewart 7y ago
Contaminated with what is the real question here, which the article doesn't even mention. I feel pretty confident the U.S. would have halted shipments cigarettes that contained substances like hydrogen cyanide, lead, etc. Note: I'm not arguing that those specific chemicals were found in the vape liquid, just an example of something I would not expect to find in a traditional cigarette.
- diag 7y ago
  Do you mention HCN facetiously? Because there's a fair amount of that in cigarettes. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4518591/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4518591/
  - bradstewart 7y ago
    Nope, I had no idea that was actually in cigarettes. I heard it mentioned in the tainted THC cartridge articles, and it seemed like a good example of a thing that shouldn't be consumed.
screye 7y ago
It is easy to ban vape pods, it is impossible to ban cigarettes. The problem isn't the vice itself, it is the demand for the vice. There isn't yet a huge vape smuggling industry anywhere. Also, if banning vapes helps reduce the rate at which it is getting trendy among teenagers then I fully support it. For one, cigarettes are not considered cool anymore, and will meet their inevitable death soon. Second, cigarettes can't be banned, because addicts will be forced into smuggling or moving to harder stuff. Third, Cigarettes have a ready smuggling industry that will take over, the second they are banned. The analogy would be like leaving a bad marriage. It is a lot easier to divorce someone who will amiably accept than an extremely abusive partner where dissent puts your health at risk. Cigarettes are the abusive partner. Banning cigarettes would be prohibition all over again. The vape ban has not been as bad of a disaster yet, so I can see why the govt. would want to continue with it.
- leshow 7y ago
  Banning vape products will just lead to this happening again and again with black market vape products. It needs to be regulated and meet health & safety standards. The concept of vaping nicotine oil exists now, it is not going to go away. We get to choose whether people do it illegally, with greater health risk, or legally with less health risk (if we regulate it properly).
  - soylentcola 7y ago
    Just a nitpick: there is no "oil" in vape liquid. That would be very bad. It's typically nicotine, VG/PG (essentially glycerines like you'd use in a fog machine, but medical/food grade), and often a small amount of food flavoring concentrate suspended in the same VG or PG base. I quit smoking with this stuff and eventually dropped off the nicotine. I made my own liquid because I could source the ingredients myself, control how much nicotine I used, and knew exactly what I was puffing on...something I couldn't say when I still smoked.
    - gimmeasandwich 7y ago
      Not a smoker but what you described here seems like it would apply if you rolled your own cigarettes.
- EpicEng 7y ago
  >Also, if banning vapes helps reduce the rate at which it is getting trendy among teenagers then I fully support it. Yes, because prohibitions have always worked out marvelously, the list of bad things kids get into is small, and won't someone please think of the children?! If you're all for banning dangerous things that adults enjoy which we also prohibit children from doing, you're list is going to grow quite long.
  - cwkoss 7y ago
    Banning vape cartridges would likely increase the proportion of vapes that contain contaminants.

by dpcan 7y ago

bradstewart 7y ago

Contaminated with what is the real question here, which the article doesn't even mention. I feel pretty confident the U.S. would have halted shipments cigarettes that contained substances like hydrogen cyanide, lead, etc. Note: I'm not arguing that those specific chemicals were found in the vape liquid, just an example of something I would not expect to find in a traditional cigarette.

diag 7y ago
Do you mention HCN facetiously? Because there's a fair amount of that in cigarettes. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4518591/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4518591/
- bradstewart 7y ago
  Nope, I had no idea that was actually in cigarettes. I heard it mentioned in the tainted THC cartridge articles, and it seemed like a good example of a thing that shouldn't be consumed.

screye 7y ago

It is easy to ban vape pods, it is impossible to ban cigarettes. The problem isn't the vice itself, it is the demand for the vice. There isn't yet a huge vape smuggling industry anywhere. Also, if banning vapes helps reduce the rate at which it is getting trendy among teenagers then I fully support it. For one, cigarettes are not considered cool anymore, and will meet their inevitable death soon. Second, cigarettes can't be banned, because addicts will be forced into smuggling or moving to harder stuff. Third, Cigarettes have a ready smuggling industry that will take over, the second they are banned. The analogy would be like leaving a bad marriage. It is a lot easier to divorce someone who will amiably accept than an extremely abusive partner where dissent puts your health at risk. Cigarettes are the abusive partner. Banning cigarettes would be prohibition all over again. The vape ban has not been as bad of a disaster yet, so I can see why the govt. would want to continue with it.

leshow 7y ago
Banning vape products will just lead to this happening again and again with black market vape products. It needs to be regulated and meet health & safety standards. The concept of vaping nicotine oil exists now, it is not going to go away. We get to choose whether people do it illegally, with greater health risk, or legally with less health risk (if we regulate it properly).
- soylentcola 7y ago
  Just a nitpick: there is no "oil" in vape liquid. That would be very bad. It's typically nicotine, VG/PG (essentially glycerines like you'd use in a fog machine, but medical/food grade), and often a small amount of food flavoring concentrate suspended in the same VG or PG base. I quit smoking with this stuff and eventually dropped off the nicotine. I made my own liquid because I could source the ingredients myself, control how much nicotine I used, and knew exactly what I was puffing on...something I couldn't say when I still smoked.
  - gimmeasandwich 7y ago
    Not a smoker but what you described here seems like it would apply if you rolled your own cigarettes.
EpicEng 7y ago
>Also, if banning vapes helps reduce the rate at which it is getting trendy among teenagers then I fully support it. Yes, because prohibitions have always worked out marvelously, the list of bad things kids get into is small, and won't someone please think of the children?! If you're all for banning dangerous things that adults enjoy which we also prohibit children from doing, you're list is going to grow quite long.
- cwkoss 7y ago
  Banning vape cartridges would likely increase the proportion of vapes that contain contaminants.