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For some insight to this, if they are using the salt based nicotine, that stuff is 25 mg or 50 mg, which is extremely concentrated vs "traditional" pg/vg liquid

For some insight to this, if they are using the salt based nicotine, that stuff is 25 mg or 50 mg, which is extremely concentrated vs "traditional" pg/vg liquid which came about first. The highest pg/vg liquid most people can tolerate is 18 mg. Typically if someone is using a smoking device that has the large clouds, they are only using 6 or 3 mg concentrate. The issue with high nicotine concentrate in the pg/vg liquid is the taste is very bad with high mg of nicotine. Now the tiny pods people smoke out of, do not have as large of clouds, however with the new type of salt-based liquid, you can smoke 25-50 mg and still have a pleasant taste to it. This is why anyone smoking the salt based liquid seems to have these fiendish kinds of buzz. Me personally, I started 4 years ago on 18 mg, after one year went to 12 mg, then 6 mg, now I'm on 3 mg. I plan on ripping the band-aid off soon and quitting cold turkey now that I've weened myself down. I am waiting for this upcoming holiday season to take a few days off, isolate myself from work and be a crappy asshole to myself for a bit and then be free of this stupid habit I picked up. (I used to smoke a pack a day or more starting when I was 18 before I transitioned to vaping) Tl:Dr - Salt based liquids are like a shot of nicotine vs a beer when you compare the concentration of the nicotine.

leshow 7y ago
I quit vaping after 2 years and found the hardest part was the ritual aspect of it, not so much the nicotine. I used to sit at my computer, code, and blow big vape clouds into the air. It was extremely relaxing and took a bit of time to get over it. I used 0 mg liquid for a while to help, but I would recommend tossing out your vape & any oils you have when you feel you're ready. Having them around is just a temptation.
- greenshackle2 7y ago
  I agree. I got myself somewhat addicted to nicotine gum. I used it to help focus when coding. It got to the point where I was chewing it constantly, so I stopped. I had to switch to regular gum to successfully stop. Apparently, there's evidence that nicotine reinforces habit formation, so that could be why. https://www.gwern.net/Nicotine https://www.gwern.net/Nicotine
- aphextim 7y ago
  This is great advice and somewhat correlated with a shower thought I had the other day when thinking about quitting for good. 2 weeks before I pull the trigger and throw everything into the garbage (that is the plan because I agree the temptation would be probably too great), I plan on trying to only vape outside like I would have to with normal cigarettes. This is to detach my habits of also sitting at the computer desk and taking vape hits whenever I want. This would force me to want it bad enough to put on a jacket and physically go outside to smoke it. Where I live we just got our first snow yesterday, so going outside is not exactly pleasant, and I'm hoping that when I do pull the trigger and quit at the end of the month it will easier if I've already weened myself off of vaping at my desk or other areas inside of the house I've grown too comfortable vaping in.
greenshackle2 7y ago
Are you saying you actually get 25-50mg of nicotine in one vaping session? That's sounds like a lot. My point of reference is nicotine gum, they are 2-4mg a piece, and the packaging says you are supposed to chew it slowly over 20-30 minutes. If you have no resistance, 2mg can be enough to create a "buzz". Cursory Google turns up a pretty wide range of nicotine content for a cigarette.
- KingMachiavelli 7y ago
  mass =/= moles. While it's stronger it's not 2x as strong. The nicotine salt which is either nicotine benzoate or (haven't seen it myself personally), nicotine salicylate, has, by nature of being a salt, more mass per mole of nicotine and these two salts are about 55% nicotine/45% salt by mass. So 50mg/ml nicotine salt is 'equivalent' in concentration to ~27mg/ml nicotine freebase and likewise 25ml/ml is 'only' as strong as 13.5ml/ml nicotine freebase. You also inhale a LOT less from salt vapes typically compared to traditional vapes. Prior to the popularity of nicotine salts, I remember having friends who switch from cigarettes needing high concentrations; ~20mg/ml nicotine freebase which has a intense throat hit.
  - aphextim 7y ago
    This explains a lot, for whatever reason I thought that the nicotine salt, was the same type of nicotine as the original juices, just put into a different salt based mixture. I didn't realize the nicotine itself is what was different, and would explain how there are sub ohm salts now that only contain 3/6 mg/60 ml. I did notice when I tried the Salt pods my friend had that were 25/50 that it did give me an intense head buzz, pretty much like smoking a cigarette for the first time. I think that inhaling less vapor is also beneficial in pods vs the sub ohm, and if I wasn't planning on quitting at the end of the month I probably would switch to the pods as it would be easier to smoke in public without annoying/drawing attention to yourself like with the sub ohm mods.
- function_seven 7y ago
  "25-50mg" is shorthand for "mg/ml" The liquid in Juul pods is actually 59mg/ml. There's 0.7ml of the stuff in there, so the total pod nicotine content is about 41mg. With roughly 200 puffs per pod, that comes out to 0.2mg per puff.

leshow 7y ago

I quit vaping after 2 years and found the hardest part was the ritual aspect of it, not so much the nicotine. I used to sit at my computer, code, and blow big vape clouds into the air. It was extremely relaxing and took a bit of time to get over it. I used 0 mg liquid for a while to help, but I would recommend tossing out your vape & any oils you have when you feel you're ready. Having them around is just a temptation.

greenshackle2 7y ago
I agree. I got myself somewhat addicted to nicotine gum. I used it to help focus when coding. It got to the point where I was chewing it constantly, so I stopped. I had to switch to regular gum to successfully stop. Apparently, there's evidence that nicotine reinforces habit formation, so that could be why. https://www.gwern.net/Nicotine https://www.gwern.net/Nicotine
aphextim 7y ago
This is great advice and somewhat correlated with a shower thought I had the other day when thinking about quitting for good. 2 weeks before I pull the trigger and throw everything into the garbage (that is the plan because I agree the temptation would be probably too great), I plan on trying to only vape outside like I would have to with normal cigarettes. This is to detach my habits of also sitting at the computer desk and taking vape hits whenever I want. This would force me to want it bad enough to put on a jacket and physically go outside to smoke it. Where I live we just got our first snow yesterday, so going outside is not exactly pleasant, and I'm hoping that when I do pull the trigger and quit at the end of the month it will easier if I've already weened myself off of vaping at my desk or other areas inside of the house I've grown too comfortable vaping in.

greenshackle2 7y ago

Are you saying you actually get 25-50mg of nicotine in one vaping session? That's sounds like a lot. My point of reference is nicotine gum, they are 2-4mg a piece, and the packaging says you are supposed to chew it slowly over 20-30 minutes. If you have no resistance, 2mg can be enough to create a "buzz". Cursory Google turns up a pretty wide range of nicotine content for a cigarette.

KingMachiavelli 7y ago
mass =/= moles. While it's stronger it's not 2x as strong. The nicotine salt which is either nicotine benzoate or (haven't seen it myself personally), nicotine salicylate, has, by nature of being a salt, more mass per mole of nicotine and these two salts are about 55% nicotine/45% salt by mass. So 50mg/ml nicotine salt is 'equivalent' in concentration to ~27mg/ml nicotine freebase and likewise 25ml/ml is 'only' as strong as 13.5ml/ml nicotine freebase. You also inhale a LOT less from salt vapes typically compared to traditional vapes. Prior to the popularity of nicotine salts, I remember having friends who switch from cigarettes needing high concentrations; ~20mg/ml nicotine freebase which has a intense throat hit.
- aphextim 7y ago
  This explains a lot, for whatever reason I thought that the nicotine salt, was the same type of nicotine as the original juices, just put into a different salt based mixture. I didn't realize the nicotine itself is what was different, and would explain how there are sub ohm salts now that only contain 3/6 mg/60 ml. I did notice when I tried the Salt pods my friend had that were 25/50 that it did give me an intense head buzz, pretty much like smoking a cigarette for the first time. I think that inhaling less vapor is also beneficial in pods vs the sub ohm, and if I wasn't planning on quitting at the end of the month I probably would switch to the pods as it would be easier to smoke in public without annoying/drawing attention to yourself like with the sub ohm mods.
function_seven 7y ago
"25-50mg" is shorthand for "mg/ml" The liquid in Juul pods is actually 59mg/ml. There's 0.7ml of the stuff in there, so the total pod nicotine content is about 41mg. With roughly 200 puffs per pod, that comes out to 0.2mg per puff.