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I'm glad you found something that works for you, but this is massively over-complicated for almost everyone. Constant glucose tracking is interesting, but comp
by jp555 7y ago
I'm glad you found something that works for you, but this is massively over-complicated for almost everyone.
Constant glucose tracking is interesting, but completely unnecessary. EDIT - For most healthy individuals.
It's like my father-in-law who obsesses over vitamins while he ignores being ~40 pounds overweight - he needs to simply eat less & move more, not keep reading articles until he uncovers some magic combination of micronutrients.
Beef spikes insulin just as much as rice does. Acute insulin spikes are not bad, and can be very beneficial. Chronically elevated insulin is not good, but it's almost always simple to address that - just eat less, less often.
But people seem to prefer to focus on complicating easy things instead of consistently doing simple but difficult things.
- buckthundaz 7y ago>Beef spikes insulin just as much as rice does. Citation?
- jp555 7y agohttps://watermark.silverchair.com/1264.pdf?token=AQECAHi208BE49Ooan9kkhW_Ercy7Dm3ZL_9Cf3qfKAc485ysgAAAlowggJWBgkqhkiG9w0BBwagggJHMIICQwIBADCCAjwGCSqGSIb3DQEHATAeBglghkgBZQMEAS4wEQQMuFO-SV_7okpNmLHhAgEQgIICDWztyhmOsY057_KpYdVzU3p15v1M_ZE5Ml_XBAE2FZtygnMHfpOqqFFDLo5jmo8eAz_fCn93UBQJl77W3Cf-k8txFwzdz8BB_R1FBWw5h3nkJfFYfCPnKif-j2GmYwLEPW-KxOKD1aYk925gwRxJZYXXKoCryEvvC7iwyPxuokjFAEp2-S6lflTJrh6DBvGP0AMidJc3BUv7Q6v9XrU6P7guJT5juHvLDuHg4lJ-RQNEFXAHvv9U3sVDZww5ICVOlLyMpyTc0ZBaQm7EtNQ4wMauiJfbfjXFIcalSuweT1qGdLDaOTOEnfvsIlMTQEwIY310a98VtmLKOabtjXnhXHrPzt_t3iKCsUu6R9gb3PcrjO1csejtJrtPiUQ19SOpGH92WeLID6C918WNeIMXBXIN6kGaqvZ7lO2Migd0LyC0iIS1TJk9jqnGaSbpWMYA10-0KiJX9xldO-3kdOcaKHWn7Hh1iFRzMeDkjvqXtIV5l-gnJj8DNUAIokkwEi09w2RSnwOxbkLh_KMou_EQVbwRg6Qrk6ZNqjKevXBF6a0HxeE6ubKKKsjgcFpm6lkA-BMAJfXrQihC3c168BoJwuM9WI1y_g_FMpeKFLxgMNjNFxHYu_JR6M6ILlW1bQqEF5da8ewZn2XvocACK9vHN3apQOvUwQYGMuf4JQaEdJ7LeikzHN2bkrALpyZqAw#page=1&. https://watermark.silverchair.com/1264.pdf?token=AQECAHi208B....
- friedegg 7y agoAs a type 1 diabetic, I can tell you beef does not spike blood glucose and resulting insulin response just as much as rice as does. Protein usually takes about half the dosage for the same amount of grams (ie 10g of carbs / 5g of protein), and it does it more slowly. For many type 1 diabetics on non low-carb diets, protein is eaten in small enough amounts with large enough amounts of carbs that you usually don't factor it into your dosage.
- jp555 7y agoYour point is valid, I should have specified "in most healthy individuals". https://watermark.silverchair.com/1264.pdf?token=AQECAHi208BE49Ooan9kkhW_Ercy7Dm3ZL_9Cf3qfKAc485ysgAAAlowggJWBgkqhkiG9w0BBwagggJHMIICQwIBADCCAjwGCSqGSIb3DQEHATAeBglghkgBZQMEAS4wEQQMuFO-SV_7okpNmLHhAgEQgIICDWztyhmOsY057_KpYdVzU3p15v1M_ZE5Ml_XBAE2FZtygnMHfpOqqFFDLo5jmo8eAz_fCn93UBQJl77W3Cf-k8txFwzdz8BB_R1FBWw5h3nkJfFYfCPnKif-j2GmYwLEPW-KxOKD1aYk925gwRxJZYXXKoCryEvvC7iwyPxuokjFAEp2-S6lflTJrh6DBvGP0AMidJc3BUv7Q6v9XrU6P7guJT5juHvLDuHg4lJ-RQNEFXAHvv9U3sVDZww5ICVOlLyMpyTc0ZBaQm7EtNQ4wMauiJfbfjXFIcalSuweT1qGdLDaOTOEnfvsIlMTQEwIY310a98VtmLKOabtjXnhXHrPzt_t3iKCsUu6R9gb3PcrjO1csejtJrtPiUQ19SOpGH92WeLID6C918WNeIMXBXIN6kGaqvZ7lO2Migd0LyC0iIS1TJk9jqnGaSbpWMYA10-0KiJX9xldO-3kdOcaKHWn7Hh1iFRzMeDkjvqXtIV5l-gnJj8DNUAIokkwEi09w2RSnwOxbkLh_KMou_EQVbwRg6Qrk6ZNqjKevXBF6a0HxeE6ubKKKsjgcFpm6lkA-BMAJfXrQihC3c168BoJwuM9WI1y_g_FMpeKFLxgMNjNFxHYu_JR6M6ILlW1bQqEF5da8ewZn2XvocACK9vHN3apQOvUwQYGMuf4JQaEdJ7LeikzHN2bkrALpyZqAw#page=1&. https://watermark.silverchair.com/1264.pdf?token=AQECAHi208B....
- quantdev 7y agoThere is absolutely no way beef spikes insulin as much as rice does. Beef has zero carbohydrates and while some protein does convert to glucose, it is a slow process and thus the insulin response will still be much less than if one consumed the equivalent of carbohydrate in rice. This is further slowed by digesting the fat in the beef. ""Between 50–60% of protein becomes glucose and enters the bloodstream about 3–4 hours after eaten." Perhaps 50–60% of protein goes through the process of gluconeogenesis in the liver, but virtually none of this glucose enters into the general circulation." http://journal.diabetes.org/diabetesspectrum/00v13n3/pg132.htm http://journal.diabetes.org/diabetesspectrum/00v13n3/pg132.h...
- jp555 7y agoAre you suggesting that insulin only responds to carbohydrate intake? I understand insulin plays an important role in shuttling all macronutrients from the GI tract into tissues, even if that action is somewhat different for fats, proteins, and carbs. (ie insulin binds to fat cells to reduce fat mobilization in a fed state) Here you can see while its not the exact same, the insulin scores of beef & rice (brown especially) are very close to each other. Definitely much closer than most popular culture advice would suggest. But it should also be said that this is for healthy individuals. https://watermark.silverchair.com/1264.pdf?token=AQECAHi208BE49Ooan9kkhW_Ercy7Dm3ZL_9Cf3qfKAc485ysgAAAlowggJWBgkqhkiG9w0BBwagggJHMIICQwIBADCCAjwGCSqGSIb3DQEHATAeBglghkgBZQMEAS4wEQQMuFO-SV_7okpNmLHhAgEQgIICDWztyhmOsY057_KpYdVzU3p15v1M_ZE5Ml_XBAE2FZtygnMHfpOqqFFDLo5jmo8eAz_fCn93UBQJl77W3Cf-k8txFwzdz8BB_R1FBWw5h3nkJfFYfCPnKif-j2GmYwLEPW-KxOKD1aYk925gwRxJZYXXKoCryEvvC7iwyPxuokjFAEp2-S6lflTJrh6DBvGP0AMidJc3BUv7Q6v9XrU6P7guJT5juHvLDuHg4lJ-RQNEFXAHvv9U3sVDZww5ICVOlLyMpyTc0ZBaQm7EtNQ4wMauiJfbfjXFIcalSuweT1qGdLDaOTOEnfvsIlMTQEwIY310a98VtmLKOabtjXnhXHrPzt_t3iKCsUu6R9gb3PcrjO1csejtJrtPiUQ19SOpGH92WeLID6C918WNeIMXBXIN6kGaqvZ7lO2Migd0LyC0iIS1TJk9jqnGaSbpWMYA10-0KiJX9xldO-3kdOcaKHWn7Hh1iFRzMeDkjvqXtIV5l-gnJj8DNUAIokkwEi09w2RSnwOxbkLh_KMou_EQVbwRg6Qrk6ZNqjKevXBF6a0HxeE6ubKKKsjgcFpm6lkA-BMAJfXrQihC3c168BoJwuM9WI1y_g_FMpeKFLxgMNjNFxHYu_JR6M6ILlW1bQqEF5da8ewZn2XvocACK9vHN3apQOvUwQYGMuf4JQaEdJ7LeikzHN2bkrALpyZqAw#page=1&. https://watermark.silverchair.com/1264.pdf?token=AQECAHi208B....
- SpikeDad 7y agoFor healthy individuals - I agree 100%. Beef spikes insulin as much as rice? Well not for me (and I suspect most people). I can eat a steak without raising my blood glucose at all - one bowl of rice and it jumps 100mg/dl. There's not a lot of good data on glucose spikes. It's a discussion I've had with my endocrinologist a number of times. He suspects it's not bad for occasional incidents as long as A1C isn't affected but again it's not been studied yet. Sure, eat less. It's that easy - I guess the 90% of people overweight are just stupid. You last statement is very true however. People and doctors want to do the simple thing. For doctors it's meds and then when they don't work well enough it's insulin and then more and more insulin. That's a hamster wheel that people need to get off.
- jp555 7y agoI appreciate you sharing your thoughts with your doctor. I should have presented it as: “in this linked experiment, beef rose circulating insulin about as much as brown rice did”. Oh and I didn’t mean to suggest fat people are lazy, eating less is simple, but not easy at all. That’s why I think people tend to end up complicating the easy stuff (and I agree meds can be an example of that) instead of doing the simple but difficult stuff.
- notus 7y agoThere might be other insights that can be gathered from the data that a CGM provides though. Even for healthy individuals.