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If I was from the police I'd probably want to block the chance to coordinate such attacks, not only do an investigation to track certain individuals. What would

If I was from the police I'd probably want to block the chance to coordinate such attacks, not only do an investigation to track certain individuals. What would be the point to spend many resources to put a guy or a few of them in jail when they can be easily replaced.

zozbot234 7y ago
Of course it depends how many people are involved in such things, and whether the app specifically is allowing them to coordinate these attacks. Most of the commentary so far has been about demonstrations, sometimes turning into violent riots. Purposely sabotaging/obstructing a piece of critical infrastructure is something rather different, although whether it could be defined as "terrorism" is somewhat ambiguous.
- iagovar 7y ago
  > whether it could be defined as "terrorism" is somewhat ambiguous. I won't define it as terrorism, but if you are in the Police and you really have no other legal tool, what do you do? If the boundary is fuzzy enough, they're gonna push for it. In the end they'll probably have a hard time proving that to a judge, but as a temporary measure they probably think it's useful.
  - zozbot234 7y ago
    Actually, my main point was that it could qualify. Attacks on critical infrastructure have been deemed as such, and the implied risk to human life makes this an even stronger possibility. If these things are actually happening, it's quite appropriate to bring them to light.
  - AnimalMuppet 7y ago
    You don't have to call it terrorism. Vandalism, reckless endangerment, malicious mischief... there are a bunch of different laws that apply.
- nl 7y ago
  It's worth noting that this conflict has previously had groups who were terrorist (the bomb planting kind).
  - hootbootscoot 7y ago
    it's worth noting that spanish over-reactions may be rooted in memories/fears of ETA, which is an entirely different group from an entirely different region also seeking secession. the concern is the "suppress this at any cost" approach. the heavy sentences can be seen as provocative (13 years for holding an "illegal" election is indefensible. it's pure authoritarian slapdown, reeks of hubris, and spits in the face of actual violent crime convictions. you can get less for murder in Spain!) this fuels sympathy for a movement that otherwise smelled a bit like the "Piadina" secessionists: a rich region seeking to "unburden" itself of it's poorer compatriot region such is the unreformed state of spanish nationalism that Madridenses literally will see nothing wrong with extreme civil rights breaches by G.C. etc. let's not forget that Spain just sold a large order of bombs to Saudi Arabia, so the epiphet "terrorist" is not to be taken seriously, as in the American Gov't etc. I'm in no way interested in Catalunyan independence, but this posturing by the Spanish Gov't looks RIDICULOUS and should be ridiculed as such.
    - GonzaloQuero 7y ago
      This is just a nitpick, but ETA was not the only active terrorist group in Spain. Catalonia also had Terra Lliure (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terra_Lliure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terra_Lliure)
    - ohduran 7y ago
      I've never heard of "Piadina" secessionism, could you please shed any light on that? Can't find anything about it
      - w0land 7y ago
        Probably the op is refering to Padania in Italy, lega nord.
acollins1331 7y ago
Sure, that's what you'd want. And everyone in the police here wants video and audio recording of every persons movement at all times so they can solve every crime. Sometimes the police want bad things.
- commandlinefan 7y ago
  "A police officer's job is only easy in a police state"

zozbot234 7y ago

Of course it depends how many people are involved in such things, and whether the app specifically is allowing them to coordinate these attacks. Most of the commentary so far has been about demonstrations, sometimes turning into violent riots. Purposely sabotaging/obstructing a piece of critical infrastructure is something rather different, although whether it could be defined as "terrorism" is somewhat ambiguous.

iagovar 7y ago
> whether it could be defined as "terrorism" is somewhat ambiguous. I won't define it as terrorism, but if you are in the Police and you really have no other legal tool, what do you do? If the boundary is fuzzy enough, they're gonna push for it. In the end they'll probably have a hard time proving that to a judge, but as a temporary measure they probably think it's useful.
- zozbot234 7y ago
  Actually, my main point was that it could qualify. Attacks on critical infrastructure have been deemed as such, and the implied risk to human life makes this an even stronger possibility. If these things are actually happening, it's quite appropriate to bring them to light.
- AnimalMuppet 7y ago
  You don't have to call it terrorism. Vandalism, reckless endangerment, malicious mischief... there are a bunch of different laws that apply.
nl 7y ago
It's worth noting that this conflict has previously had groups who were terrorist (the bomb planting kind).
- hootbootscoot 7y ago
  it's worth noting that spanish over-reactions may be rooted in memories/fears of ETA, which is an entirely different group from an entirely different region also seeking secession. the concern is the "suppress this at any cost" approach. the heavy sentences can be seen as provocative (13 years for holding an "illegal" election is indefensible. it's pure authoritarian slapdown, reeks of hubris, and spits in the face of actual violent crime convictions. you can get less for murder in Spain!) this fuels sympathy for a movement that otherwise smelled a bit like the "Piadina" secessionists: a rich region seeking to "unburden" itself of it's poorer compatriot region such is the unreformed state of spanish nationalism that Madridenses literally will see nothing wrong with extreme civil rights breaches by G.C. etc. let's not forget that Spain just sold a large order of bombs to Saudi Arabia, so the epiphet "terrorist" is not to be taken seriously, as in the American Gov't etc. I'm in no way interested in Catalunyan independence, but this posturing by the Spanish Gov't looks RIDICULOUS and should be ridiculed as such.
  - GonzaloQuero 7y ago
    This is just a nitpick, but ETA was not the only active terrorist group in Spain. Catalonia also had Terra Lliure (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terra_Lliure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terra_Lliure)
  - ohduran 7y ago
    I've never heard of "Piadina" secessionism, could you please shed any light on that? Can't find anything about it
    - w0land 7y ago
      Probably the op is refering to Padania in Italy, lega nord.

acollins1331 7y ago

Sure, that's what you'd want. And everyone in the police here wants video and audio recording of every persons movement at all times so they can solve every crime. Sometimes the police want bad things.

commandlinefan 7y ago
"A police officer's job is only easy in a police state"