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Some commentators are pointing out, not implausibly imho, that the Spanish government is pushing the terrorism accusation against the pro-secession movement as

Some commentators are pointing out, not implausibly imho, that the Spanish government is pushing the terrorism accusation against the pro-secession movement as a way to tap into terrorism-related extradition agreements in Europe. Right now there are a few Catalonian political exiles in Belgium and other countries. By the way, Tsunami Democràtic explicitly rejects violent action: https://tsunamidemocratic.github.io/noviolencia.html https://tsunamidemocratic.github.io/noviolencia.html

GonzaloQuero 7y ago
Terrorism is also a quick way of instilling fear in Spain, as most people around 30 years old still remember the times when we had three active terrorist groups, so I wouldn't be surprised if they're using it just to spark those feelings in voters. After all, there's another election coming in two weeks.
pvaldes 7y ago
> Tsunami Democràtic explicitly rejects violent action This must be sarcasm. Yeah, they reject violent action at the same time that explicitly provide all the necessary logistic support for violent action, like telling people where is the police in real time, (the same policemen and policewomen that are ambushed later), they also slowly introduce and train naive youngsters in the exciting world of crime and urban war, baby steps, and send people to burn the streets, lose their eyes and (with a little luck) die for the cause and create the long desired martyrs that will come some day. Snakes with butterfly wings and speaking softly are still snakes.
- tassl 7y ago
  > This must be sarcasm. Yeah, they reject violent action at the same time that explicitly provide all the necessary logistic support for violent action, like telling people where is the police in real time, (the same policemen and policewomen that are ambushed later) THAT might be sarcasm. There is no terrorism or violence implicit in informing people of police location in real time. > they also slowly introduce and train naive youngsters in the exciting world of crime and urban war That is false. > send people to burn the streets, lose their eyes. That is also false. The second part is quite disturbing, putting the blame where it should not be. > and (with a little luck) die for the cause and create the long desired martyrs that will come some day That's disgusting.
- KuhlMensch 7y ago
  Sound like you hold it as a truth that civil disobedience is fundamentally immoral, as you can extrapolate a possible hell-scape from it. But why use the power of imagination, when you can simply read about the pros and cons of civil disobedience e.g. Pro - civil rights movement Con - blowing up trains full of people Its a complicated issue, and I guarantee the silent majority of readers of this thread embrace that complexity and do not feel comfortable trying to characterize this one way or the other.

GonzaloQuero 7y ago

Terrorism is also a quick way of instilling fear in Spain, as most people around 30 years old still remember the times when we had three active terrorist groups, so I wouldn't be surprised if they're using it just to spark those feelings in voters. After all, there's another election coming in two weeks.

pvaldes 7y ago

> Tsunami Democràtic explicitly rejects violent action This must be sarcasm. Yeah, they reject violent action at the same time that explicitly provide all the necessary logistic support for violent action, like telling people where is the police in real time, (the same policemen and policewomen that are ambushed later), they also slowly introduce and train naive youngsters in the exciting world of crime and urban war, baby steps, and send people to burn the streets, lose their eyes and (with a little luck) die for the cause and create the long desired martyrs that will come some day. Snakes with butterfly wings and speaking softly are still snakes.

tassl 7y ago
> This must be sarcasm. Yeah, they reject violent action at the same time that explicitly provide all the necessary logistic support for violent action, like telling people where is the police in real time, (the same policemen and policewomen that are ambushed later) THAT might be sarcasm. There is no terrorism or violence implicit in informing people of police location in real time. > they also slowly introduce and train naive youngsters in the exciting world of crime and urban war That is false. > send people to burn the streets, lose their eyes. That is also false. The second part is quite disturbing, putting the blame where it should not be. > and (with a little luck) die for the cause and create the long desired martyrs that will come some day That's disgusting.
KuhlMensch 7y ago
Sound like you hold it as a truth that civil disobedience is fundamentally immoral, as you can extrapolate a possible hell-scape from it. But why use the power of imagination, when you can simply read about the pros and cons of civil disobedience e.g. Pro - civil rights movement Con - blowing up trains full of people Its a complicated issue, and I guarantee the silent majority of readers of this thread embrace that complexity and do not feel comfortable trying to characterize this one way or the other.