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How is a judicial authority not a part of the government?

ahbyb 7y ago
Seems like an American point of view to see it like that. The government does not control what the judges rule, that's what it means.
- RHSeeger 7y ago
  It's not so much an American "point of view" as it is their definition of the word. It appears that Spain defines the government as the executive branch, while the US (and several other English speaking countries) defines it as an umbrella covering the various branches (in the US; executive, judicial, legislative).
kzrdude 7y ago
Government is often understood to be the executive part, somewhat like 'administration', I don't know if there is a better word to use.
- swebs 7y ago
  Not in the English speaking world at least. "Government" is an umbrella term which includes the legislature, executive, and judiciary.
  - NeedMoreTea 7y ago
    In the UK "government" is generally taken to mean the executive who are also part of the legislature (parliament), but not judiciary. UK Judiciary separation appears to be far stronger than in the US viewed from here in the UK.
    - swebs 7y ago
      Ah, I didn't know that. Well both HN and Github are US sites, not UK, so the title is accurate in this context.
      - NeedMoreTea 7y ago
        "English speaking world" is a tad wider than US specific - many of whom stick with a variation on the Westminster model. ;) From the context of this subthread seems like the Spanish think of government as executive and legislature, with judiciary separate too.
  - eridan2 7y ago
    https://www.gov.uk/government/how-government-works https://www.gov.uk/government/how-government-works In the UK, the Prime Minister leads the government with the support of the Cabinet and ministers
  - physicsguy 7y ago
    No, that's a US English meaning that isn't widely used in other English speaking countries.
    - consp 7y ago
      Or other non-English speaking parliamentary democracies for that matter.
      - kragen 7y ago
        I don't think the meaning currently given to cognates in other languages is relevant to the question of what a word means in modern English. In Spanish, bizarro means "brave", and recordar means "to recall from memory"; this does not provide any evidence that "bizarre" means "brave" in English, or that "recording" means "recalling from memory" in English. (Although, as it turns out, it once did.)
kragen 7y ago
In the US "government" means the whole Leviathan. In the UK the word for that is "state", while "government" means the ruling political party or parties and the officials they appoint.

Seems like an American point of view to see it like that. The government does not control what the judges rule, that's what it means.

RHSeeger 7y ago
It's not so much an American "point of view" as it is their definition of the word. It appears that Spain defines the government as the executive branch, while the US (and several other English speaking countries) defines it as an umbrella covering the various branches (in the US; executive, judicial, legislative).

kzrdude 7y ago

Government is often understood to be the executive part, somewhat like 'administration', I don't know if there is a better word to use.

swebs 7y ago
Not in the English speaking world at least. "Government" is an umbrella term which includes the legislature, executive, and judiciary.
- NeedMoreTea 7y ago
  In the UK "government" is generally taken to mean the executive who are also part of the legislature (parliament), but not judiciary. UK Judiciary separation appears to be far stronger than in the US viewed from here in the UK.
  - swebs 7y ago
    Ah, I didn't know that. Well both HN and Github are US sites, not UK, so the title is accurate in this context.
    - NeedMoreTea 7y ago
      "English speaking world" is a tad wider than US specific - many of whom stick with a variation on the Westminster model. ;) From the context of this subthread seems like the Spanish think of government as executive and legislature, with judiciary separate too.
- eridan2 7y ago
  https://www.gov.uk/government/how-government-works https://www.gov.uk/government/how-government-works In the UK, the Prime Minister leads the government with the support of the Cabinet and ministers
- physicsguy 7y ago
  No, that's a US English meaning that isn't widely used in other English speaking countries.
  - consp 7y ago
    Or other non-English speaking parliamentary democracies for that matter.
    - kragen 7y ago
      I don't think the meaning currently given to cognates in other languages is relevant to the question of what a word means in modern English. In Spanish, bizarro means "brave", and recordar means "to recall from memory"; this does not provide any evidence that "bizarre" means "brave" in English, or that "recording" means "recalling from memory" in English. (Although, as it turns out, it once did.)

kragen 7y ago

In the US "government" means the whole Leviathan. In the UK the word for that is "state", while "government" means the ruling political party or parties and the officials they appoint.