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> I can switch to a different flavor until more news comes out. I can't even understand why you wouldn't abandon all Juul products at this point.

by carlmr 7y ago

dzhiurgis 7y ago
Posts like this reminds me Uber circa 2 years ago...
- carlmr 7y ago
  In what way? I mean Kalanick was shown to be a dickhead that fostered a sexist frat bro work culture, as far as I remember, but that doesn't have any immediate bearing on me as a customer. From an egotistical customer perspective Juul knowingly selling tainted vials is relevant while Uber isn't.
hn_throwaway_99 7y ago
Maybe he is addicted to nicotine.
- lightedman 7y ago
  There are plenty of other nicotine delivery systems besides JUUL.
  - ghostly_s 7y ago
    As I understand from the juulers I know, it gives you a fiendishly special kind of buzz, something to do with of the density of the hit and the miniscule size that compels you to suck on it 24/7. none of them are interested in other brands' products.
    - Jarwain 7y ago
      Don't forget the salt nicotine!
    - aphextim 7y ago
      For some insight to this, if they are using the salt based nicotine, that stuff is 25 mg or 50 mg, which is extremely concentrated vs "traditional" pg/vg liquid which came about first. The highest pg/vg liquid most people can tolerate is 18 mg. Typically if someone is using a smoking device that has the large clouds, they are only using 6 or 3 mg concentrate. The issue with high nicotine concentrate in the pg/vg liquid is the taste is very bad with high mg of nicotine. Now the tiny pods people smoke out of, do not have as large of clouds, however with the new type of salt-based liquid, you can smoke 25-50 mg and still have a pleasant taste to it. This is why anyone smoking the salt based liquid seems to have these fiendish kinds of buzz. Me personally, I started 4 years ago on 18 mg, after one year went to 12 mg, then 6 mg, now I'm on 3 mg. I plan on ripping the band-aid off soon and quitting cold turkey now that I've weened myself down. I am waiting for this upcoming holiday season to take a few days off, isolate myself from work and be a crappy asshole to myself for a bit and then be free of this stupid habit I picked up. (I used to smoke a pack a day or more starting when I was 18 before I transitioned to vaping) Tl:Dr - Salt based liquids are like a shot of nicotine vs a beer when you compare the concentration of the nicotine.
      - leshow 7y ago
        I quit vaping after 2 years and found the hardest part was the ritual aspect of it, not so much the nicotine. I used to sit at my computer, code, and blow big vape clouds into the air. It was extremely relaxing and took a bit of time to get over it. I used 0 mg liquid for a while to help, but I would recommend tossing out your vape & any oils you have when you feel you're ready. Having them around is just a temptation.
        greenshackle2 7y ago
        I agree. I got myself somewhat addicted to nicotine gum. I used it to help focus when coding. It got to the point where I was chewing it constantly, so I stopped. I had to switch to regular gum to successfully stop. Apparently, there's evidence that nicotine reinforces habit formation, so that could be why. https://www.gwern.net/Nicotine https://www.gwern.net/Nicotine
        7y ago
- SmellyGeekBoy 7y ago
  As someone who was once addicted to nicotine himself I should point out that people could just choose to not be addicted to it. It's not difficult.
  - Cthulhu_ 7y ago
    wow thanks im cured
  - jaxn 7y ago
    Not sure why you are downvoted. This is the truth. You either quit, or you don't care enough. (Truth hurts)
    - abstractbarista 7y ago
      Yep, people get triggered by this, but I've found it personally true for me. Granted I haven't tried stuff like meth, but plain old nicotine and caffeine simply isn't "hard" for me to stop consuming.
      - swozey 7y ago
        I'm old enough to have been addicted to things and gotten off of them multiple times in my life, usually nicotine and caffeine. I'll go 3-5 years on then 2-5 years off. Each time I get off I have 2-3 weeks where I'm an absolutely miserable person to be around. The first time I didn't realize it and thought I was just moody or having bad days. The second and beyond times (this is over 3 decades) I was well aware that all of the road rage, short tempers, mood swings, etc I was experiencing were exactly the same as the first time I got off. There's quite a few comments in here where people are planning to take time off over the holidays to get off nicotine. You may have bounced back with no ill effects but there are a lot of us that don't and are aware of how we act when coming off and don't want to put people we coexist with through that fun.
    - jcranberry 7y ago
      there's physiological addiction and there's psychological addiction. the former can be physically debilitating, but sometimes it's just annoying (technically anyone who ever gets a high from nicotine is physiologically addicted--the head rush is relief of withdrawal symptoms). but the latter means you're in a mental state where just quitting isn't so simple.
- Cthulhu_ 7y ago
  There's a lot of alternatives out there, and you can even make your own; there's nothing particularly secretive about the ingredients of generic vape liquid. Of course then you have to know your sources of the raw materials.
  - deleted 7y ago
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> I can switch to a different flavor until more news comes out. I can't even understand why you wouldn't abandon all Juul products at this point.

by carlmr 7y ago

> I can switch to a different flavor until more news comes out. I can't even understand why you wouldn't abandon all Juul products at this point.

dzhiurgis 7y ago

Posts like this reminds me Uber circa 2 years ago...

carlmr 7y ago
In what way? I mean Kalanick was shown to be a dickhead that fostered a sexist frat bro work culture, as far as I remember, but that doesn't have any immediate bearing on me as a customer. From an egotistical customer perspective Juul knowingly selling tainted vials is relevant while Uber isn't.

hn_throwaway_99 7y ago

Maybe he is addicted to nicotine.

lightedman 7y ago
There are plenty of other nicotine delivery systems besides JUUL.
- ghostly_s 7y ago
  As I understand from the juulers I know, it gives you a fiendishly special kind of buzz, something to do with of the density of the hit and the miniscule size that compels you to suck on it 24/7. none of them are interested in other brands' products.
  - Jarwain 7y ago
    Don't forget the salt nicotine!
  - aphextim 7y ago
    For some insight to this, if they are using the salt based nicotine, that stuff is 25 mg or 50 mg, which is extremely concentrated vs "traditional" pg/vg liquid which came about first. The highest pg/vg liquid most people can tolerate is 18 mg. Typically if someone is using a smoking device that has the large clouds, they are only using 6 or 3 mg concentrate. The issue with high nicotine concentrate in the pg/vg liquid is the taste is very bad with high mg of nicotine. Now the tiny pods people smoke out of, do not have as large of clouds, however with the new type of salt-based liquid, you can smoke 25-50 mg and still have a pleasant taste to it. This is why anyone smoking the salt based liquid seems to have these fiendish kinds of buzz. Me personally, I started 4 years ago on 18 mg, after one year went to 12 mg, then 6 mg, now I'm on 3 mg. I plan on ripping the band-aid off soon and quitting cold turkey now that I've weened myself down. I am waiting for this upcoming holiday season to take a few days off, isolate myself from work and be a crappy asshole to myself for a bit and then be free of this stupid habit I picked up. (I used to smoke a pack a day or more starting when I was 18 before I transitioned to vaping) Tl:Dr - Salt based liquids are like a shot of nicotine vs a beer when you compare the concentration of the nicotine.
    - leshow 7y ago
      I quit vaping after 2 years and found the hardest part was the ritual aspect of it, not so much the nicotine. I used to sit at my computer, code, and blow big vape clouds into the air. It was extremely relaxing and took a bit of time to get over it. I used 0 mg liquid for a while to help, but I would recommend tossing out your vape & any oils you have when you feel you're ready. Having them around is just a temptation.
      - greenshackle2 7y ago
        I agree. I got myself somewhat addicted to nicotine gum. I used it to help focus when coding. It got to the point where I was chewing it constantly, so I stopped. I had to switch to regular gum to successfully stop. Apparently, there's evidence that nicotine reinforces habit formation, so that could be why. https://www.gwern.net/Nicotine https://www.gwern.net/Nicotine
      - 7y ago
SmellyGeekBoy 7y ago
As someone who was once addicted to nicotine himself I should point out that people could just choose to not be addicted to it. It's not difficult.
- Cthulhu_ 7y ago
  wow thanks im cured
- jaxn 7y ago
  Not sure why you are downvoted. This is the truth. You either quit, or you don't care enough. (Truth hurts)
  - abstractbarista 7y ago
    Yep, people get triggered by this, but I've found it personally true for me. Granted I haven't tried stuff like meth, but plain old nicotine and caffeine simply isn't "hard" for me to stop consuming.
    - swozey 7y ago
      I'm old enough to have been addicted to things and gotten off of them multiple times in my life, usually nicotine and caffeine. I'll go 3-5 years on then 2-5 years off. Each time I get off I have 2-3 weeks where I'm an absolutely miserable person to be around. The first time I didn't realize it and thought I was just moody or having bad days. The second and beyond times (this is over 3 decades) I was well aware that all of the road rage, short tempers, mood swings, etc I was experiencing were exactly the same as the first time I got off. There's quite a few comments in here where people are planning to take time off over the holidays to get off nicotine. You may have bounced back with no ill effects but there are a lot of us that don't and are aware of how we act when coming off and don't want to put people we coexist with through that fun.
  - jcranberry 7y ago
    there's physiological addiction and there's psychological addiction. the former can be physically debilitating, but sometimes it's just annoying (technically anyone who ever gets a high from nicotine is physiologically addicted--the head rush is relief of withdrawal symptoms). but the latter means you're in a mental state where just quitting isn't so simple.
Cthulhu_ 7y ago
There's a lot of alternatives out there, and you can even make your own; there's nothing particularly secretive about the ingredients of generic vape liquid. Of course then you have to know your sources of the raw materials.
- deleted 7y ago
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