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> People like Tim Danaher should be behind bars. Assuming the allegations are substantial and true, Danaher should be very grateful that he's protected by the

> People like Tim Danaher should be behind bars. Assuming the allegations are substantial and true, Danaher should be very grateful that he's protected by the law. I can't imagine the urge for vengeance that would be felt by a parent of someone who died from this.

corndoge 7y ago
FTA: "A nationwide lung injury outbreak, now standing at 1,604 cases and 34 deaths, is being investigated by public health agencies, which have primarily linked the illnesses to vaping black-market THC." The CDC findings were that black market THC pods are causing the deaths. It seems most of the current moral outrage and reactionary, emergency regulations on (nicotine) vaping have been because people have not been doing their research at all.
- SolaceQuantum 7y ago
  Mainly, but not all. The first known death was unrelated to THC carts and was at first considered death by pneumonia...
- chipgap98 7y ago
  The Daily (the Times podcast) did an episode[1] this week on vaping and the death discussed in that story does not sound like it was related to black market THC. The majority of cases do seem to be THC related, but I don't think its clear yet that they all are. [1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/28/podcasts/the-daily/vaping-dangers.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/28/podcasts/the-daily/vaping...
- wmeredith 7y ago
  > It seems most of the current moral outrage and reactionary, emergency regulations on (nicotine) vaping have been because people have not been doing their research at all. It's called grandstanding
autoexec 7y ago
The last thing I want to see is mobs of people, angry over the deaths of their loved ones, tracking down executives and dealing with the problem themselves, but I'll admit I'm very surprised it doesn't happen more often. I imagine most people are just struggling to keep their lives together through their grief and satisfying a vendetta takes a lot of time and effort. Also many people aren't as comfortable with hurting others as the executives of Juul are. Still, I am surprised.
- conductr 7y ago
  Because it’s not financially motivated
  - TheSpiceIsLife 7y ago
    If I had to have an opinion on the matter, it would be strongly aligned with this one. If we could work out a way to financially incentivise taking care of each other many of our problems would change swiftly and dramatically.
    - londons_explore 7y ago
      This is easy. Rather than paying $16 for a pack of vape pods, I should pay 0.0001% of my earnings over the rest of my life. Then the vape company has a direct incentive to help me be successful. Such a payment system should be assisted by government (ie. Government should give out forms which prove your earnings), and banks (who would remember who is due what percentage of your earnings and distribute appropriately). The basics of such a system already exists in the UK, where students commit to paying 9% of their future income to pay for university (with a time limit and money limit).
      - autoexec 7y ago
        While the UK system (which does not last the rest of a person's life) is a better means of paying down student debt compared to the US (where most students will pay a higher percentage of income each month at significantly higher interest rates) that's not my ideal for handling educational costs and it's certainly not going to solve the problem with corporate greed. Companies like Juul would take your earnings and still poison/kill you if it would put more money into their pockets somehow. They've made a deliberate choice to cross the line from amoral to immoral.
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FDSGSG 7y ago
> parent of someone who died from this. So uh, do such people actually exist? The article doesn't suggest that anyone died.
- FDSGSG 7y ago
  Why is this so controversial? The contaminant does not seem to be described anywhere, nor any consequences of this contamination. For all we know Juul shipped 1M mint pods contaminated with strawberry flavour. The fact that the story completely avoids this is a bit suspicious.
  - autoexec 7y ago
    The lawsuit says: "Mr. Breja brings this action after he was terminated in retaliation for whistleblowing and objecting to the contaminated pod shipment and other illegal and unsafe conduct that has jeopardized and continues to jeopardize public health and safety and the lives of millions of consumers, many of them children and teens." I think it's safe to say this isn't about strawberry flavoured mint
CriticalCathed 7y ago
it is unsurprising to me that someone defacto advocating for vigilante justice is also lacking in substantive justification.
- DoofusOfDeath 7y ago
  I was not advocating vigilante justice. I was simply reflecting on the factors at play in situations like this.
- PhasmaFelis 7y ago
  Observing that vigilante justice exists is not the same thing as advocating for it.

corndoge 7y ago

FTA: "A nationwide lung injury outbreak, now standing at 1,604 cases and 34 deaths, is being investigated by public health agencies, which have primarily linked the illnesses to vaping black-market THC." The CDC findings were that black market THC pods are causing the deaths. It seems most of the current moral outrage and reactionary, emergency regulations on (nicotine) vaping have been because people have not been doing their research at all.

SolaceQuantum 7y ago
Mainly, but not all. The first known death was unrelated to THC carts and was at first considered death by pneumonia...
chipgap98 7y ago
The Daily (the Times podcast) did an episode[1] this week on vaping and the death discussed in that story does not sound like it was related to black market THC. The majority of cases do seem to be THC related, but I don't think its clear yet that they all are. [1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/28/podcasts/the-daily/vaping-dangers.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/28/podcasts/the-daily/vaping...
wmeredith 7y ago
> It seems most of the current moral outrage and reactionary, emergency regulations on (nicotine) vaping have been because people have not been doing their research at all. It's called grandstanding

autoexec 7y ago

The last thing I want to see is mobs of people, angry over the deaths of their loved ones, tracking down executives and dealing with the problem themselves, but I'll admit I'm very surprised it doesn't happen more often. I imagine most people are just struggling to keep their lives together through their grief and satisfying a vendetta takes a lot of time and effort. Also many people aren't as comfortable with hurting others as the executives of Juul are. Still, I am surprised.

conductr 7y ago
Because it’s not financially motivated
- TheSpiceIsLife 7y ago
  If I had to have an opinion on the matter, it would be strongly aligned with this one. If we could work out a way to financially incentivise taking care of each other many of our problems would change swiftly and dramatically.
  - londons_explore 7y ago
    This is easy. Rather than paying $16 for a pack of vape pods, I should pay 0.0001% of my earnings over the rest of my life. Then the vape company has a direct incentive to help me be successful. Such a payment system should be assisted by government (ie. Government should give out forms which prove your earnings), and banks (who would remember who is due what percentage of your earnings and distribute appropriately). The basics of such a system already exists in the UK, where students commit to paying 9% of their future income to pay for university (with a time limit and money limit).
    - autoexec 7y ago
      While the UK system (which does not last the rest of a person's life) is a better means of paying down student debt compared to the US (where most students will pay a higher percentage of income each month at significantly higher interest rates) that's not my ideal for handling educational costs and it's certainly not going to solve the problem with corporate greed. Companies like Juul would take your earnings and still poison/kill you if it would put more money into their pockets somehow. They've made a deliberate choice to cross the line from amoral to immoral.

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FDSGSG 7y ago

> parent of someone who died from this. So uh, do such people actually exist? The article doesn't suggest that anyone died.

FDSGSG 7y ago
Why is this so controversial? The contaminant does not seem to be described anywhere, nor any consequences of this contamination. For all we know Juul shipped 1M mint pods contaminated with strawberry flavour. The fact that the story completely avoids this is a bit suspicious.
- autoexec 7y ago
  The lawsuit says: "Mr. Breja brings this action after he was terminated in retaliation for whistleblowing and objecting to the contaminated pod shipment and other illegal and unsafe conduct that has jeopardized and continues to jeopardize public health and safety and the lives of millions of consumers, many of them children and teens." I think it's safe to say this isn't about strawberry flavoured mint

CriticalCathed 7y ago

it is unsurprising to me that someone defacto advocating for vigilante justice is also lacking in substantive justification.

DoofusOfDeath 7y ago
I was not advocating vigilante justice. I was simply reflecting on the factors at play in situations like this.
PhasmaFelis 7y ago
Observing that vigilante justice exists is not the same thing as advocating for it.