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Were you playing on VAC-secured servers? While not perfect, they're pretty good keeping up with the changing landscape of cheats.

by joshmn 7y ago

gouggoug 7y ago
I think so? But I could be wrong.
- technonerd 7y ago
  It was most def a non-prime match (VAC enabled). They are a complete shit show and deter new players from lasting long in a free to play game.
  - gouggoug 7y ago
    I didn't buy the game so you must be right. That's unfortunate for valve, because I won't be buying the game.
    - 83457 7y ago
      It is well worth buying. Sounds like due to cheating it is pointless for them to have it free now.
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lreeves 7y ago
VAC servers don't really matter; the bans come in waves so even when new cheats are detected you're still going to play a bunch of games against people using them until the actual ban wave happens. Retroactive fixes are applied to stats and stuff so you don't have "losses" against cheaters but when you're playing against them it really sucks, and sucks the fun out of the game.
- oh_sigh 7y ago
  Banning in waves after they can detect the chear seems just like a money grab at the expense of real players
  - xxxtentachyon 7y ago
    How is it a money grab? There's no recurring subscription fees to play CS:GO
    - detaro 7y ago
      <strikethrough, see reply>If you want to continue playing after a full ban, you need a new Steam account and buy the game again.</strikethrough> That said, taking time for detection to be developed and not wanting to give live feedback to cheat developers are also good explanations for waves.
      - blattimwind 7y ago
        > If you want to continue playing after a full ban, you need a new Steam account and buy the game again. CSGO is free to play. If you get banned, you only have to register a new Steam account...
        detaro 7y ago
        Oops, it is indeed. That change totally passed me by.
  - nkrisc 7y ago
    It's done to make it harder for cheat makers and cheaters to pin down what exactly got them caught. It's a common tactic across many games.
bdz 7y ago
There are "next gen" ROP cheats for FPS games including CS:GO https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21355058 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21355058 The main problem is that VAC can be better but not without elevated privileges aka borderline rootkit and that's not gonna happen
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- willis936 7y ago
  Most anticheats are rootkits (see: kernel mode drivers). VAC’s tricks are behavioral detection of cheats and that’s the best approach imo. Trust factor is the real genius. Just put all of the toxic players and potential cheaters together.
- invokestatic 7y ago
  I used to develop cheats for CSGO (I work in anti-cheat now). The ROP chain cheat is 100% detectable right now with VAC without rootkits or the like. No cheat is “VAC-proof”. I have seen Valve’s creativity at responding to evolving threats. It’s just a matter of time.
  - mhh__ 7y ago
    Could you explain how?

Were you playing on VAC-secured servers? While not perfect, they're pretty good keeping up with the changing landscape of cheats.

by joshmn 7y ago

Were you playing on VAC-secured servers? While not perfect, they're pretty good keeping up with the changing landscape of cheats.

gouggoug 7y ago

I think so? But I could be wrong.

technonerd 7y ago
It was most def a non-prime match (VAC enabled). They are a complete shit show and deter new players from lasting long in a free to play game.
- gouggoug 7y ago
  I didn't buy the game so you must be right. That's unfortunate for valve, because I won't be buying the game.
  - 83457 7y ago
    It is well worth buying. Sounds like due to cheating it is pointless for them to have it free now.

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lreeves 7y ago

VAC servers don't really matter; the bans come in waves so even when new cheats are detected you're still going to play a bunch of games against people using them until the actual ban wave happens. Retroactive fixes are applied to stats and stuff so you don't have "losses" against cheaters but when you're playing against them it really sucks, and sucks the fun out of the game.

oh_sigh 7y ago
Banning in waves after they can detect the chear seems just like a money grab at the expense of real players
- xxxtentachyon 7y ago
  How is it a money grab? There's no recurring subscription fees to play CS:GO
  - detaro 7y ago
    <strikethrough, see reply>If you want to continue playing after a full ban, you need a new Steam account and buy the game again.</strikethrough> That said, taking time for detection to be developed and not wanting to give live feedback to cheat developers are also good explanations for waves.
    - blattimwind 7y ago
      > If you want to continue playing after a full ban, you need a new Steam account and buy the game again. CSGO is free to play. If you get banned, you only have to register a new Steam account...
      - detaro 7y ago
        Oops, it is indeed. That change totally passed me by.
- nkrisc 7y ago
  It's done to make it harder for cheat makers and cheaters to pin down what exactly got them caught. It's a common tactic across many games.

bdz 7y ago

There are "next gen" ROP cheats for FPS games including CS:GO https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21355058 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21355058 The main problem is that VAC can be better but not without elevated privileges aka borderline rootkit and that's not gonna happen

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willis936 7y ago
Most anticheats are rootkits (see: kernel mode drivers). VAC’s tricks are behavioral detection of cheats and that’s the best approach imo. Trust factor is the real genius. Just put all of the toxic players and potential cheaters together.
invokestatic 7y ago
I used to develop cheats for CSGO (I work in anti-cheat now). The ROP chain cheat is 100% detectable right now with VAC without rootkits or the like. No cheat is “VAC-proof”. I have seen Valve’s creativity at responding to evolving threats. It’s just a matter of time.
- mhh__ 7y ago
  Could you explain how?