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Slightly unrelated: I used to love playing CS. I tried recently playing again, but after 10 minutes of witnessing all sorts of cheating, I had to stop. Cheater
by gouggoug 7y ago
Slightly unrelated:
I used to love playing CS. I tried recently playing again, but after 10 minutes of witnessing all sorts of cheating, I had to stop. Cheaters just killed the game for me.
- joshmn 7y agoWere you playing on VAC-secured servers? While not perfect, they're pretty good keeping up with the changing landscape of cheats.
- gouggoug 7y agoI think so? But I could be wrong.
- technonerd 7y agoIt was most def a non-prime match (VAC enabled). They are a complete shit show and deter new players from lasting long in a free to play game.
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- lreeves 7y agoVAC servers don't really matter; the bans come in waves so even when new cheats are detected you're still going to play a bunch of games against people using them until the actual ban wave happens. Retroactive fixes are applied to stats and stuff so you don't have "losses" against cheaters but when you're playing against them it really sucks, and sucks the fun out of the game.
- oh_sigh 7y agoBanning in waves after they can detect the chear seems just like a money grab at the expense of real players
- xxxtentachyon 7y agoHow is it a money grab? There's no recurring subscription fees to play CS:GO
- detaro 7y ago<strikethrough, see reply>If you want to continue playing after a full ban, you need a new Steam account and buy the game again.</strikethrough> That said, taking time for detection to be developed and not wanting to give live feedback to cheat developers are also good explanations for waves.
- blattimwind 7y ago> If you want to continue playing after a full ban, you need a new Steam account and buy the game again. CSGO is free to play. If you get banned, you only have to register a new Steam account...
- detaro 7y agoOops, it is indeed. That change totally passed me by.
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- bdz 7y agoThere are "next gen" ROP cheats for FPS games including CS:GO https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21355058 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21355058 The main problem is that VAC can be better but not without elevated privileges aka borderline rootkit and that's not gonna happen
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- willis936 7y agoMost anticheats are rootkits (see: kernel mode drivers). VAC’s tricks are behavioral detection of cheats and that’s the best approach imo. Trust factor is the real genius. Just put all of the toxic players and potential cheaters together.
- invokestatic 7y agoI used to develop cheats for CSGO (I work in anti-cheat now). The ROP chain cheat is 100% detectable right now with VAC without rootkits or the like. No cheat is “VAC-proof”. I have seen Valve’s creativity at responding to evolving threats. It’s just a matter of time.
- mhh__ 7y agoCould you explain how?
- tedk-42 7y agoForever silver IV
- dekken_ 7y agoCheating has exploded in Danger Zone mode lately. Hard to play a few games without a cheater.
- onion2k 7y agoI always felt the AWPers were cheating in CS back in the early 2000s, but I think they were just better than me.
- samcheng 7y agoAs a low-ping AWP sniper back in the day, we weren't all cheating. It was super satisfying to get a string of headshots...
- bennyelv 7y agoI agree with this. I used to play a lot (competitive matches, got to near the top of the main league in the UK for CS:Source) and I think for your average player it feels the same to be playing against good players as it does against people who are cheating. My observations during this time is that there were actually very few cheaters, and most people who were being accused on public servers were just good players playing the way that I did against players of a lower skill level. I would encounter someone who was clearly and obviously cheating only once every few weeks.
- tylerjwilk00 7y agoIt went free to play last year. This removed the cost penalty so it was flooded with cheaters.
- legohead 7y agoI was going to say, last I remember CSGO had very little cheating in it. But I haven't played in about a year...
- freeAgent 7y agoThat almost completely defeats the purpose of VAC or whatever they are calling it now. Who cares if they're banned for life when they can make an infinite number of accounts at no cost. The price of the game was what made VAC bans effective.
- techntoke 7y agoThis x100. Maybe we'll get another Counter-Strike when Half-Life 3 comes out.
- lifeformed 7y agoThere's Prime Matchmaking mode, which can only be used by players who've paid $20 or played like enough to get to level 21, which takes a long time.
- ChamindaV 7y agoYou got placed with other cheaters because you haven't played enough for system to identify, once you start playing more often you will see less cheaters. Also, as you recently started playing again, lot of players might seem so good to you that you are thinking they are cheating, they might be just good.
- laurentdc 7y agoSame, but if you try complaining on /r/globaloffensive all you get is the usual "git gud noob" or some excuse about low trust factor. Even though I have a 5 year old account with 100+ games for some reason every other match it puts me against brand new accounts blatantly cheating
- willis936 7y agoI’ve played about 550 hours of csgo. A combination of prime only matchmaking and having established a high trust factor makes it the best matchmaking experience I’ve ever had. No one hacks, toxic players are rare, many pick-up players communicate and are not toxic. The norm is to behave. It’s very refreshing. I know that outside of this ivory tower is a concentrated cess pool of trash, but if you can stick it out it is worth it to get in.
- domlebo70 7y agoI have prime and high trust factor. MM for me at least, is full of cheaters. ESEA has been a much nicer experience. I never see sketchy stuff.
- willis936 7y agoI’m not going to install kernel mode anticheat for anyone. This policy keeps me off some popular games like pubg and battlefield, but it also keeps malware off my computer. I’m surprised anyone uses ESEA after their crypto miner scandal. We’ll hear about their keyboard logger in a few years after all of the data has been sold off.
- godzillabrennus 7y agoBoot from a different drive to play games. Windows 10 is already basically a root kit. Don’t use it for anything you care about. If you must use it then you can try and regain some control but I doubt it really works: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/windows-10-doesnt-offer-much-privacy-by-default-heres-how-to-fix-it/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/windo...
- ronniegeriis 7y agoESEA and FaceIt is a better experience cheat wise. But I also observe a higher skill level there. I've only played pickups on FaceIt, and the toxicity there is the same—if not worse—as MM.
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- 013a 7y agoCS:GO just isn't a fun game for me. Maybe there are cheaters, but sometimes its hard to tell. Instead, I prefer framing it in same vein as why Fortnite isn't fun anymore: People are just way too good nowadays. I like to think I'm generally good at video games, but the people who play CS:GO regularly have a laser focus on it. They're better than good, and that skill discrepancy ruins the game for other people. It takes one Insane Tier player on the enemy team to ruin the game for me, or one cheater, and the probability of running into that in an average game is just too high in the top-tier competitive games. Skill-based Matchmaking doesn't help, flat out. People smurf. I used to think smurfing was this thing that you'd rarely run into, but then I found out that my roommate smurfs on Apex. At that point, another person in the room said "yeah, I've done that". In these games that are insanely cheap or free; its rampant. I legitimately think that smurfing should be a bannable offense, but I'm not aware of any companies that take it seriously (some have said that its against ToS, but do they apply the same detection heuristics to it they do for actual cheaters?)
- hutzlibu 7y agoI suppose "smurfing" means, you create a new account, to pretend that you are a new player and therefore get into matches with only newbs? So the motivation is to feel good at winning against not experienced players?
- jtms 7y agoYes, that’s exactly right. They just want to feel like gods as they stomp the new players.
- thaumasiotes 7y ago> So the motivation is to feel good at winning against not experienced players? Contrast online matchmaking systems that take your assessed skill level into account. These are certainly... widespread. I don't understand why. The design goal of such a system is that, no matter what your skill level is, you win or lose at a rate indistinguishable from chance. Are you getting better at the game? Doesn't matter; your win rate is constant. Are you getting worse under lack of pressure, since nothing you do affects your performance? Doesn't matter. Nothing you do can affect your performance. Your win rate is constant; the system will seamlessly swap in weaker players to play against you. If I'm improving at something, I want to see better results than I was getting before. If I'm getting worse, I want to see worse results.
- msrmthehomeless 7y agoSupposedly this is why csgo related content is posted here? "Hacker" news.
- rcurry 7y agoThis. The only multiplayer game I play any more is World of Tanks, and that’s because it’s so laughably rigged that even cheaters can’t stand out.
- honkycat 7y agoSame experience. People always say "Oh maybe they are smurfs, or just really good." No. Elite players are less common than hackers. And these people were actively cheating and not even pretending to not be cheating. Twitchy aiming, insta lock-on head, could go around a corner and kill 4.5 people on the other side before going down. A lot of people mistake cheating for really good players. But if you watch a lot of competitive FPS games, even the pro players do not have perfect aim and ESP. They can't round a corner and frag a whole team who is facing the correct way waiting for them. It is seriously everywhere. League of Legends has a cheating problem. Call of Duty has a cheating problem. Fortnite, PUBG, it is all of the major games. Unfortunately, I think I'm just done with competitive online gaming. Time was you could join a server, play with the same group of people. They would kick anyone with ping over 50. Anymore, there are too many people playing over WIFI with horrible connections teleporting around. And too many people paying $5/mo to get a cheat engine.
- nkrisc 7y agoOnline matchmaking has changed things for the better and for the worse. I used to play BF1942 online and there was no matchmaker. You could browse and join random servers all day, or you found one with a good community on it. You frequented it, you got to know people, and you had a great time. They probably had a good admin presence and any cheaters or toxic people got banned quickly. Used to be too that everyone's computer was almost certainly wired into their router. Now, as you say, most people are one wifi with terrible connections. Now you get placed with random people you'll never see again, a fifth of whom it feels like are cheating anyway.
- chmod775 7y ago> League of Legends has a cheating problem No it doesn't. Cheaters are incredibly rare in ranked games. Cheating is an easy way to get your account banned super fast and creating a new account is a huge time investment. You won't find any experienced people saying cheating is a problem in that game.
- rwmurrayVT 7y agoSeveral years ago it was a massive issue with BoL. They've done some serious updates to limit the issue.