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They won't though. How would they upsell customers if they provide them with the same features that newer phones have? I wish they would, but that doesn't fit

They won't though. How would they upsell customers if they provide them with the same features that newer phones have? I wish they would, but that doesn't fit Apple's typical MO.

MuffinFlavored 7y ago
> fit Apple's typical MO Apple, or any business trying to make money?
webwielder2 7y ago
Supporting and improving previous generation devices fits Apple's MO better than any other company's.
- MagnumOpus 7y ago
  Obviously it doesn’t. Apple refusing to support and improve previous gens due to commercial considerations is what we are talking about. Seems like the MO has changed?
nolok 7y ago
I was pleasantly surprised when Samsung backported their "night" mode to my S9+. I was even more pleasantly surprised when I saw how much of an improvement it made in low light conditions. If anything, it ensured my next phone would be a Samsung again (and it was, I went Note 10), so I think it's still a good upselling move to do so. On that note, how far they've come since the Note 4 terrible TERRIBLE result in low light, that phone was top notch for its time but in low light it took several seconds for a single shot, focus sucked, grainy as hell ... Seeing a 9/10th gen phone instantly take those shots, with almost no grain and a lot of back details properly lighted is very impressive to me. I understand how it works in theory, but there is still a "wow I can't believe my phone pulls that off" factor for me.
ben174 7y ago
I mean, you bought the phone with a particular version of software. They don't charge you for some significant upgrades and security updates - but it seems fair to me that the features which require huge R&D costs would require a new purchase.
- chooseaname 7y ago
  So, let me have the software features and I'll toss a few bucks their way. Of course one could argue that the iPhone 8/X, XS, XR buyers did finance the R&D for it. Each year Apple has beat their neural engine drum but it wasn't until this year that they really introduced features that took great advantage of it. Sure, they used it for FaceID, but I'll wager it didn't really tax the silicon much.
  - Arn_Thor 7y ago
    I'd wager it just about maxed out their silicon, because it's taken two years of software optimization to speed up FaceID on the iPhone X. It was a little bit sluggish until iOS 13, which to me indicates some clever software trick was able to squeeze out a little more performance from already hardworking chips.
- spike021 7y ago
  I wasn't denying that at all. My whole point is that that's how it is, that's how it's marketed. Sure it would be nice to get some special new features, but as mentioned, that also doesn't suit how Apple operates when it comes to new features. And that's quite alright.
coldtea 7y ago
Err, Apple is far more typical in supporting older mobile phones with new versions -- and getting them updated to the latest version fast. Android vendors had (have?) a horrible history on this...
- spike021 7y ago
  In terms of stability usually, but not tentpole features. That's quite alright, I'm not even complaining. Just saying it would be nice to get some newer features but that it isn't how Apple normally operates. That's just fine.
- discordance 7y ago
  Apple have been good about getting updates on to older phones, but usability on the older phones is pretty poor. My SE has really been struggling with iOS 13. A lot of apps don’t load and things are ssssslow.

They won't though. How would they upsell customers if they provide them with the same features that newer phones have? I wish they would, but that doesn't fit Apple's typical MO.

MuffinFlavored 7y ago

> fit Apple's typical MO Apple, or any business trying to make money?

webwielder2 7y ago

Supporting and improving previous generation devices fits Apple's MO better than any other company's.

MagnumOpus 7y ago
Obviously it doesn’t. Apple refusing to support and improve previous gens due to commercial considerations is what we are talking about. Seems like the MO has changed?

nolok 7y ago

I was pleasantly surprised when Samsung backported their "night" mode to my S9+. I was even more pleasantly surprised when I saw how much of an improvement it made in low light conditions. If anything, it ensured my next phone would be a Samsung again (and it was, I went Note 10), so I think it's still a good upselling move to do so. On that note, how far they've come since the Note 4 terrible TERRIBLE result in low light, that phone was top notch for its time but in low light it took several seconds for a single shot, focus sucked, grainy as hell ... Seeing a 9/10th gen phone instantly take those shots, with almost no grain and a lot of back details properly lighted is very impressive to me. I understand how it works in theory, but there is still a "wow I can't believe my phone pulls that off" factor for me.

ben174 7y ago

I mean, you bought the phone with a particular version of software. They don't charge you for some significant upgrades and security updates - but it seems fair to me that the features which require huge R&D costs would require a new purchase.

chooseaname 7y ago
So, let me have the software features and I'll toss a few bucks their way. Of course one could argue that the iPhone 8/X, XS, XR buyers did finance the R&D for it. Each year Apple has beat their neural engine drum but it wasn't until this year that they really introduced features that took great advantage of it. Sure, they used it for FaceID, but I'll wager it didn't really tax the silicon much.
- Arn_Thor 7y ago
  I'd wager it just about maxed out their silicon, because it's taken two years of software optimization to speed up FaceID on the iPhone X. It was a little bit sluggish until iOS 13, which to me indicates some clever software trick was able to squeeze out a little more performance from already hardworking chips.
spike021 7y ago
I wasn't denying that at all. My whole point is that that's how it is, that's how it's marketed. Sure it would be nice to get some special new features, but as mentioned, that also doesn't suit how Apple operates when it comes to new features. And that's quite alright.

coldtea 7y ago

Err, Apple is far more typical in supporting older mobile phones with new versions -- and getting them updated to the latest version fast. Android vendors had (have?) a horrible history on this...

spike021 7y ago
In terms of stability usually, but not tentpole features. That's quite alright, I'm not even complaining. Just saying it would be nice to get some newer features but that it isn't how Apple normally operates. That's just fine.
discordance 7y ago
Apple have been good about getting updates on to older phones, but usability on the older phones is pretty poor. My SE has really been struggling with iOS 13. A lot of apps don’t load and things are ssssslow.