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Outside of SV these kind of saner interviews are the norm. It's totally possible to get a job if you straight up refuse to do whiteboarding.

algaeontoast 7y ago
This is also a standard in Boston and now Austin TX.
- chrshawkes 7y ago
  Lots of places in DC do this as well. I think it's mostly a startup thing. I commonly refer to one of the greatest C++ programmers of all time (Scott Meyers) as an authority on this stupid hazing ritual. "I hate anything that asks me to design on the spot. That's asking to demonstrate a skill rarely required on the job in a high-stress environment, where it is difficult for a candidate to accurately prove their abilities. I think it's fundamentally an unfair thing to request of a candidate." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Meyers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Meyers
  - shantly 7y ago
    Places with ex-FAANGers in decision-making positions seem to favor it. Nevermind their business is a boring-ass CRUD app and their anticipated usage patterns will only require solving "hard" problems to scale if they totally fuck it up. [EDIT] and on the topic of your quote, in actual work screwing up while working through problems in a meeting or while collaborating is (or had better be) normal, and everyone's working together to find the right solutions. If you miss something you missed it, that's fine, even if it was something dumb, everyone does that all the time, NBD, unless you're doing it just constantly no-one will think a thing of it. Expectations, explicit and implicit, in an interview make it way less friendly and safe feeling than even a very important or relatively high-stress task in actual work life. It's not even in the same category of activity as solving problems at work.
unlinked_dll 7y ago
Outside SV they'll send you absurd hackerrank problems after a 5 min phone call with a recruiter on contingency. Which is arguably worse than whiteboarding.

algaeontoast 7y ago

This is also a standard in Boston and now Austin TX.

chrshawkes 7y ago
Lots of places in DC do this as well. I think it's mostly a startup thing. I commonly refer to one of the greatest C++ programmers of all time (Scott Meyers) as an authority on this stupid hazing ritual. "I hate anything that asks me to design on the spot. That's asking to demonstrate a skill rarely required on the job in a high-stress environment, where it is difficult for a candidate to accurately prove their abilities. I think it's fundamentally an unfair thing to request of a candidate." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Meyers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Meyers
- shantly 7y ago
  Places with ex-FAANGers in decision-making positions seem to favor it. Nevermind their business is a boring-ass CRUD app and their anticipated usage patterns will only require solving "hard" problems to scale if they totally fuck it up. [EDIT] and on the topic of your quote, in actual work screwing up while working through problems in a meeting or while collaborating is (or had better be) normal, and everyone's working together to find the right solutions. If you miss something you missed it, that's fine, even if it was something dumb, everyone does that all the time, NBD, unless you're doing it just constantly no-one will think a thing of it. Expectations, explicit and implicit, in an interview make it way less friendly and safe feeling than even a very important or relatively high-stress task in actual work life. It's not even in the same category of activity as solving problems at work.

unlinked_dll 7y ago

Outside SV they'll send you absurd hackerrank problems after a 5 min phone call with a recruiter on contingency. Which is arguably worse than whiteboarding.