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This comment, from the CFO, is particularly nasty: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/merge_requests/14182#note_203849107 https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab

This comment, from the CFO, is particularly nasty: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/merge_requests/14182#note_203849107 https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/merge_requests/14182#no...

user9837 7y ago
I wonder if Microsoft not allowing full telemetry opt-out in Windows 10 opened a precedent for this kind if thing.
kgwxd 7y ago
At least they said what they actually thought and opened a discussion instead of spewing one of the standard canned PR statements. The replies are a pretty good source of arguing against the position he took and now can be referenced by anyone else having a similar discussion.
- user9837 7y ago
  Did they said that because they always speak they're minds or because forced telemetry is becoming a norm? We will never know I guess.
zapita 7y ago
You may or may not agree with that comment, but it is not nasty. What is nasty, on the other hand, is the vitriolic reaction to it. So far I count 16 "middle finger" emojis, including one with the subtitle "incompentent or malicious CFO". In what world does a disagreement over the right level of telemetry justify this kind of behavior? It's mind-boggling to me how entitled and aggressive the open-source culture is allowed to be. Does a company like Gitlab really deserve to have its employees publicly insulted in this way, after giving away so much to their users, for free, and being so much more transparent than 99% of tech companies? At this point I don't understand why anyone in their right mind would go to the trouble of making their product open-source. It's just not worth it.
- liability 7y ago
  > "It's mind-boggling to me how entitled and aggressive the open-source culture is allowed to be." 'Allowed' to be? The "open source culture" is the sum of the participants and participation is open to the general public. If being rude were "not allowed" who would be doing the not allowing and why should they be so empowered over members of the general public?
  - zapita 7y ago
    And we collectively allow this behavior. Do we not? For example, I don't see anyone stepping up in that github thread and saying that insults and middle finger emojis are not OK. That's because that behavior is normalized. Participants in the thread either a) are OK with it; b) have resigned themselves to it; c) are refraining from speaking up for fear of being attacked too. That is what I mean by "allowed to happen".
    - liability 7y ago
      What would it mean for me to 'not allow' other members of a free society to speak their mind? Your right to criticize it and their right to say it are one and the same. Criticizing it and not permitting it are not the same thing.
      - zapita 7y ago
        If you are participant of the Gitlab community, you could speak up in that thread and say that you are not OK with people being insulted over a disagreement. I won't fault you for not wanting to, though. You would probably be attacked too, and have to spend a few hours of your life justifying yourself.
        liability 7y ago
        There is a keen difference between criticizing it and forbidding it. Gitlab may forbid it on their platform, but they don't have the ability, let alone right, to regulate the speech of the general public outside their platform.
dsissitka 7y ago
Here's a screenshot for people that don't feel like waiting for the page to load: https://imgur.com/a/uxaU0h8 https://imgur.com/a/uxaU0h8 How is GitLab still this slow?
- badrequest 7y ago
  It's a Rails app trying to load hundreds of different bits of data (emojis, comments, votes on comments, etc.), I'd honestly be more surprised if it were quick.
  - thenewnewguy 7y ago
    GitHub loads similar data and is also written in rails, but long GitHub PRs/issues are significantly faster to load.
- dijit 7y ago
  It’s probably hammering the database right now. These kind of things, by nature, are difficult to cache because the balance between “fresh” new content and how often they are accessed leans heavily towards having it served from the backend directly.
  - ericmcer 7y ago
    Resources are cached, lightweight JSON that dictates how to lay those resources out is fresh, doesn’t seem tooooo difficult
- swagonomixxx 7y ago
  Ruby on Rails backend, I think.
  - heartbreak 7y ago
    Github is also RoR backend, and it's not this slow.
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colechristensen 7y ago
What? >I don’t understand. This should not be an opt in or an opt out. It is a condition of using our product. There is an acceptance of terms and the use of this data should be included in that. In what way is that "nasty"?
- sigzero 7y ago
  It's "clueless" but not "nasty".
  - TeMPOraL 7y ago
    It's either extremely clueless or nasty, but regardless, it also expresses a suggestion that's hostile to the users.
250R 7y ago
looks like CFO actual need is the historical data for LTV calculations https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/issues/13297 https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/issues/13297

This comment, from the CFO, is particularly nasty: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/merge_requests/14182#note_203849107 https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/merge_requests/14182#no...

user9837 7y ago

I wonder if Microsoft not allowing full telemetry opt-out in Windows 10 opened a precedent for this kind if thing.

kgwxd 7y ago

At least they said what they actually thought and opened a discussion instead of spewing one of the standard canned PR statements. The replies are a pretty good source of arguing against the position he took and now can be referenced by anyone else having a similar discussion.

user9837 7y ago
Did they said that because they always speak they're minds or because forced telemetry is becoming a norm? We will never know I guess.

zapita 7y ago

You may or may not agree with that comment, but it is not nasty. What is nasty, on the other hand, is the vitriolic reaction to it. So far I count 16 "middle finger" emojis, including one with the subtitle "incompentent or malicious CFO". In what world does a disagreement over the right level of telemetry justify this kind of behavior? It's mind-boggling to me how entitled and aggressive the open-source culture is allowed to be. Does a company like Gitlab really deserve to have its employees publicly insulted in this way, after giving away so much to their users, for free, and being so much more transparent than 99% of tech companies? At this point I don't understand why anyone in their right mind would go to the trouble of making their product open-source. It's just not worth it.

liability 7y ago
> "It's mind-boggling to me how entitled and aggressive the open-source culture is allowed to be." 'Allowed' to be? The "open source culture" is the sum of the participants and participation is open to the general public. If being rude were "not allowed" who would be doing the not allowing and why should they be so empowered over members of the general public?
- zapita 7y ago
  And we collectively allow this behavior. Do we not? For example, I don't see anyone stepping up in that github thread and saying that insults and middle finger emojis are not OK. That's because that behavior is normalized. Participants in the thread either a) are OK with it; b) have resigned themselves to it; c) are refraining from speaking up for fear of being attacked too. That is what I mean by "allowed to happen".
  - liability 7y ago
    What would it mean for me to 'not allow' other members of a free society to speak their mind? Your right to criticize it and their right to say it are one and the same. Criticizing it and not permitting it are not the same thing.
    - zapita 7y ago
      If you are participant of the Gitlab community, you could speak up in that thread and say that you are not OK with people being insulted over a disagreement. I won't fault you for not wanting to, though. You would probably be attacked too, and have to spend a few hours of your life justifying yourself.
      - liability 7y ago
        There is a keen difference between criticizing it and forbidding it. Gitlab may forbid it on their platform, but they don't have the ability, let alone right, to regulate the speech of the general public outside their platform.

dsissitka 7y ago

Here's a screenshot for people that don't feel like waiting for the page to load: https://imgur.com/a/uxaU0h8 https://imgur.com/a/uxaU0h8 How is GitLab still this slow?

badrequest 7y ago
It's a Rails app trying to load hundreds of different bits of data (emojis, comments, votes on comments, etc.), I'd honestly be more surprised if it were quick.
- thenewnewguy 7y ago
  GitHub loads similar data and is also written in rails, but long GitHub PRs/issues are significantly faster to load.
dijit 7y ago
It’s probably hammering the database right now. These kind of things, by nature, are difficult to cache because the balance between “fresh” new content and how often they are accessed leans heavily towards having it served from the backend directly.
- ericmcer 7y ago
  Resources are cached, lightweight JSON that dictates how to lay those resources out is fresh, doesn’t seem tooooo difficult
swagonomixxx 7y ago
Ruby on Rails backend, I think.
- heartbreak 7y ago
  Github is also RoR backend, and it's not this slow.

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colechristensen 7y ago

What? >I don’t understand. This should not be an opt in or an opt out. It is a condition of using our product. There is an acceptance of terms and the use of this data should be included in that. In what way is that "nasty"?

sigzero 7y ago
It's "clueless" but not "nasty".
- TeMPOraL 7y ago
  It's either extremely clueless or nasty, but regardless, it also expresses a suggestion that's hostile to the users.

250R 7y ago

looks like CFO actual need is the historical data for LTV calculations https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/issues/13297 https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/issues/13297