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How is that related to this piece of information? Spanish Constitution does not allow regions (Autonomous Communities in Spain's legal jargon) to make referend
by spanxx 7y ago
How is that related to this piece of information?
Spanish Constitution does not allow regions (Autonomous Communities in Spain's legal jargon) to make referendums. What's the issue here?
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- seniorivn 7y agoAs long as they identify themselves as not Spanish nation, they can claim that they have a right for independence granted by UN To achieve it though they will have to convince the whole world that it is true and more important then anyone's relationship with Spain
- spanxx 7y agoNo country allows self-determination of it's regions. Do you think that USA would allow Texas or Lakota Nation to secede?
- voicedYoda 7y agoActually, some of us wish they would.
- spanxx 7y agoWhat's the minimum size of people to ask for independence? One person, one thousand, one million?
- autoexec 7y agoI imagine it's dependent on boundaries not individuals. A nation, an island, a state, or a city might ask for independence, but not a person or a group of people. In the US we even have semi-independent spaces like reservations and embassy buildings where a single complex or structure is considered separate from the nation that surrounds it.
- hutzlibu 7y agoI would say, it depends.
- xondono 7y agoNo country recognizes your right to not be thrown into a black hole.. And yet I’d be willing to bet some would be opposed to it happening :)
- spanxx 7y agoHow this relates to what I'm saying?
- Symbiote 7y agoThere have been recent, legal self-determination referenda in Scotland, New Caledonia and the Falkland Islands. I'm sure there are more; these are just three I'm familiar with. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Sovereignty_referendums https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Sovereignty_referendu...
- spanxx 7y agoScotland did the referendum in agreement with British Law and Westminster pairlament. This, note there is no British Constitution that forbids them to do referendums. About Flakland Islands I don't know, so I don't have an opinion.
- SamReidHughes 7y agoAlso done legally under British law. With hilariously lopsided results! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Falkland_Islands_sovereignty_referendum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Falkland_Islands_sovereig...
- Gaelan 7y agoYour previous post: > Do you think that USA would allow Texas or Lakota Nation to secede? I think Symbiote was using Scotland as an example to prove that this wasn’t out of the question.
- pjc50 7y agoCzechoslovakia.
- spanxx 7y agoThey both agreed to split. Totally different situation there.
- maximente 7y agowhat do you mean "let"? a lot depends on the outcome. you can bet that the british empire didn't "let" the colonies secede, but they did anyway, persevered, and eventually the british "let them" by way of not pursuing the war. and so, here we are. the same could happen with spain, or a state in the US, or w/e. winners tend to write the history books, as well as perspective on past events.
- pjc50 7y agoWildly inappropriate sentencing? The question of whether it's really appropriate to deny a kind of democratic participation is also worth discussing.
- spanxx 7y agoI'd say the sentencing is right because they broke the law.
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- hootbootscoot 7y ago15 years in prison? that's nuts. that had better be manslaughter or armed robbery or stealing zillions of pensions etc... there is no way you can present holding a controversial referendum as worthy of a jail sentence at all, let alone 15 years. "broke the law"... i mean, crossing the street when the light is red is "breaking the law". buying weed is "breaking the law". it is a provocative heavy-handed foolish move by the Spanish Supreme Court, that will only serve to inflame tensions, as it now provides an air of martyrdom. it's all thoroughly unnecessary and gratuitous. it would be enough to say "well that referendum result doesn't count, sorry. nope." and you'd have a bit of protest and another "illegal" referendum every few years, but you wouldn't be feeding the popularity of the Catalonian independence movement. it was a stupid move. hubris appears unattractive to the global lens. mind you, I couldn't have given 2 hoots about any of this, just reporting on how it appears on the world stage.
- SamReidHughes 7y agoSecession movements have a big chance of killing a ton of people and violating the civil rights of many more, so a 15 year sentence is very plausibly appropriate, in comparison to armed robbery.
- pjc50 7y agoThis was the the peaceful independence movement. They have not killed anyone and have no declared intention to.