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Just give it to a kid, with no instructions. I would have eaten it up as kid, and figured it all out. My first computer experience was on a PC with MS-DOS boot

Just give it to a kid, with no instructions. I would have eaten it up as kid, and figured it all out. My first computer experience was on a PC with MS-DOS booted from a floppy. There was no help and no documentation, discover-ability was based on your ability to find commands and understand how they worked. It took a while but I mastered MS-DOS. Comparatively, we've come a long way and the iPad is easy to use. I think I'm going to get my daughter an iPad Pro for her 10th birthday. She can run all the apps she likes on her iPod and do all of her school work (mostly on Google Docs). Its perfect for her and has everything she needs. She will have no trouble with discover-ability, she will use her time and intuition to figure it out.

jarjoura 7y ago
I'd argue this is mostly because kids have the time to sit there and figure it out. They also have zero expectations for the way things should work, so they can try to do something until it does what they want. Not sure this is valid argument for building a device that the majority of users will find frustrating. I think the problem I have with iOS/iPad OS 13 is that Apple went into this as a zero-sum game. Replace how it worked before, because trust their designers who know better, it's MUCH better now, right? Instead of giving people the option to try something new, to see if it makes their lives better by removing friction, they've instead added friction to some set of users. Inherent in this is genuinely a smugness and lack of empathy, that's all. People will adapt and learn to love the changes over time, but it's really not ok to do this to your users.
- annoyingnoob 7y ago
  The complaints seem kind of minor to me. Is moving from one major release of Android to another any different? I think adults are capable of adjusting their expectations and engaging curiosity.
- pfranz 7y ago
  This isn't specifically speaking to your point about iPad OS 13, but I actually think that example fits very well to the desktops of the 90s everyone talks about those as thoughtfully designed and discoverable. Kids at the time took the time to learn all it. Parents needed to take classes to learn the basics to do their job. Even now, those former kids get called in when something "breaks."

jarjoura 7y ago

I'd argue this is mostly because kids have the time to sit there and figure it out. They also have zero expectations for the way things should work, so they can try to do something until it does what they want. Not sure this is valid argument for building a device that the majority of users will find frustrating. I think the problem I have with iOS/iPad OS 13 is that Apple went into this as a zero-sum game. Replace how it worked before, because trust their designers who know better, it's MUCH better now, right? Instead of giving people the option to try something new, to see if it makes their lives better by removing friction, they've instead added friction to some set of users. Inherent in this is genuinely a smugness and lack of empathy, that's all. People will adapt and learn to love the changes over time, but it's really not ok to do this to your users.

annoyingnoob 7y ago
The complaints seem kind of minor to me. Is moving from one major release of Android to another any different? I think adults are capable of adjusting their expectations and engaging curiosity.
pfranz 7y ago
This isn't specifically speaking to your point about iPad OS 13, but I actually think that example fits very well to the desktops of the 90s everyone talks about those as thoughtfully designed and discoverable. Kids at the time took the time to learn all it. Parents needed to take classes to learn the basics to do their job. Even now, those former kids get called in when something "breaks."