The parent of this thread explicitly states: >Note that I'm only asking about city travel, not intercity transportation. I don't know why these conversations

The parent of this thread explicitly states: >Note that I'm only asking about city travel, not intercity transportation. I don't know why these conversations always seem to descend into talking about the suburbs. Urban environments can (and should) reduce car traffic inside them. Talk about leaving the city to go hiking and suburban living (designed specifically around personal car ownership) are not what we're talking about here.