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And not a single mention of Apple, Safari or iOS <which were instrumental to the downfall of Flash>, funny Google.

slig 7y ago
The flash player was awful on Macs back in the day. Adobe refused to support OSX properly, and Steve rightfully did not trust them to make a decent job.
- oscargrouch 7y ago
  Is up to the user to decide that, not the platform middle-man. Its funny how many people are willing to give up their freedom to decide what works best for them, and let others decide, in the name of "im doing all this for your own good". You should always have the right to decide what technology to use, what you install and download on your device. The whole app store deciding what they allow or not, not giving you any other alternative, should be deemed inconstitutional in a society who knows whats happening, when people have nowhere else to go because the digital dictatorship is in control of your digital life. This whole trend smells digital feudalism to me, and it was Jobs that started this whole dangerous trend to the bottom of our civil liberties. Why are you defending this new feudal lord who are mining your right to choose what you do with your own property? If after having bought a house, the guy(or company) who have selled to you, had made some demands of how you could use the kitchen, or the bedroom, would you think its within his right to do so?
  - slig 7y ago
    > Is up to the user to decide that, not the platform middle-man. Each and every time a costumer buys an iPhone they're deciding. Adobe decided to do a half-assed flash player for the Mac. That decision proved to be wrong. Or do you really expect that Adobe would do a decent job supporting an new platform when they couldn't even bother supporting the big cash cow Apple had at that time?
    - oscargrouch 7y ago
      > Each and every time a costumer buys an iPhone they're deciding. You can buy the house from the company defining rules of how you should use the house you bought from them and denying you access to the things they forbid. Lets suppose you have options to buy a house from the ones that does not do this, ok.. until the company who are ruling over your property are making a big buck, and they decide to play by the same rules.. so hey, where are your options to buy a house without vendor rules? thats right, their gone.. Only that we are talking about something much more important here which has to do with data.. Private companies should never be allowed to do this, unless they offer options (other app stores should be possible), and have rules to filter who can offer apps to your device that dont damage your freedom of choice (dont forbid things on political views, taste, harassing competition, etc..). Android is becoming more akin to Apple each day, and what you have in the end is a false sense of choice. This is why the rule of law and a functioning government is so important. > Adobe decided to do a half-assed flash player for the Mac. Than if it will deliver a crappy experience, let the user decide for his own. Suppose the user agree with Apple/Jobs here and dont like to use it, but theres that tool that are available only in Flash, you need it for your mechanical enginnering job for instance.. You had a choice, a bad one, yes, but now you have none. Just because 'simon says' so.. And we are not even thinking about the small players with less resources than Adobe, that will not have the resources to make the "good experience" by whatever standards imposed by the overlord dujour. And thats because we are assuming good faith, because the ruler of your own property, can even lie about be doing this for your own sake, and just use this to bar the competition. By the way i never touch anything Apple because of this, but because they were the ones who leaded the smartphone industry, the rules they have specified in the beggining tend to be copied by the competition, and to become the norm. Its not the same as creating a new car company in the XXI century where we have standards, good rules, etc.. The pioners have the power to define the reality of the industry in years to come. And giving its about our digital life, its becoming more and more important each day. Data and digital platforms are in the XXI century what the oil was in the XX century. Pervasive, powerful, defining everything else.

slig 7y ago

The flash player was awful on Macs back in the day. Adobe refused to support OSX properly, and Steve rightfully did not trust them to make a decent job.

oscargrouch 7y ago
Is up to the user to decide that, not the platform middle-man. Its funny how many people are willing to give up their freedom to decide what works best for them, and let others decide, in the name of "im doing all this for your own good". You should always have the right to decide what technology to use, what you install and download on your device. The whole app store deciding what they allow or not, not giving you any other alternative, should be deemed inconstitutional in a society who knows whats happening, when people have nowhere else to go because the digital dictatorship is in control of your digital life. This whole trend smells digital feudalism to me, and it was Jobs that started this whole dangerous trend to the bottom of our civil liberties. Why are you defending this new feudal lord who are mining your right to choose what you do with your own property? If after having bought a house, the guy(or company) who have selled to you, had made some demands of how you could use the kitchen, or the bedroom, would you think its within his right to do so?
- slig 7y ago
  > Is up to the user to decide that, not the platform middle-man. Each and every time a costumer buys an iPhone they're deciding. Adobe decided to do a half-assed flash player for the Mac. That decision proved to be wrong. Or do you really expect that Adobe would do a decent job supporting an new platform when they couldn't even bother supporting the big cash cow Apple had at that time?
  - oscargrouch 7y ago
    > Each and every time a costumer buys an iPhone they're deciding. You can buy the house from the company defining rules of how you should use the house you bought from them and denying you access to the things they forbid. Lets suppose you have options to buy a house from the ones that does not do this, ok.. until the company who are ruling over your property are making a big buck, and they decide to play by the same rules.. so hey, where are your options to buy a house without vendor rules? thats right, their gone.. Only that we are talking about something much more important here which has to do with data.. Private companies should never be allowed to do this, unless they offer options (other app stores should be possible), and have rules to filter who can offer apps to your device that dont damage your freedom of choice (dont forbid things on political views, taste, harassing competition, etc..). Android is becoming more akin to Apple each day, and what you have in the end is a false sense of choice. This is why the rule of law and a functioning government is so important. > Adobe decided to do a half-assed flash player for the Mac. Than if it will deliver a crappy experience, let the user decide for his own. Suppose the user agree with Apple/Jobs here and dont like to use it, but theres that tool that are available only in Flash, you need it for your mechanical enginnering job for instance.. You had a choice, a bad one, yes, but now you have none. Just because 'simon says' so.. And we are not even thinking about the small players with less resources than Adobe, that will not have the resources to make the "good experience" by whatever standards imposed by the overlord dujour. And thats because we are assuming good faith, because the ruler of your own property, can even lie about be doing this for your own sake, and just use this to bar the competition. By the way i never touch anything Apple because of this, but because they were the ones who leaded the smartphone industry, the rules they have specified in the beggining tend to be copied by the competition, and to become the norm. Its not the same as creating a new car company in the XXI century where we have standards, good rules, etc.. The pioners have the power to define the reality of the industry in years to come. And giving its about our digital life, its becoming more and more important each day. Data and digital platforms are in the XXI century what the oil was in the XX century. Pervasive, powerful, defining everything else.