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I don't think emoji is the worst of unicode. The major issue I find with it is there aren't limits to how many are added. Emoji are growing at a fantastical pa

I don't think emoji is the worst of unicode. The major issue I find with it is there aren't limits to how many are added. Emoji are growing at a fantastical pace, much like a tumor, because "if X got added, why didn't Y?", and so on. As the other child reply mentioned, this is latin-centric. Totally useless for people that can't or don't want to speak English, and having to duplicate it for every language defeats the entire purpose.

danShumway 7y ago
> and having to duplicate it for every language defeats the entire purpose. Does it? If you want accessible emoji, you need a display label for each emoji in every language that the client supports. Whether or not the emoji is represented in Unicode doesn't change that. Also when users are entering emoji into a client application, they need a way to quickly filter and get to the emoji that they want -- that requires having a label in their native language, and putting emoji in Unicode doesn't fix that either. In any practical setting, accessibility/input means you need multiple labels for different languages anyway. So why are we trying so hard to avoid them in the final text representation? If :cat: :gato: :貓: were part of the emoji definition in a big list somewhere, it would only make it easier to support multiple languages, since I wouldn't need to compile my own list of translations/labels.
- munmaek 7y ago
  > Also when users are entering emoji into a client application, they need a way to quickly filter and get to the emoji that they want -- that requires having a label in their native language, and putting emoji in Unicode doesn't fix that either. This is different from -forcing- people to memorize the specific identifier in order to input it. How do I find a specific face emoji if I don't know the name? I use the system's emoji picker tool and simply scroll through it. On OSX, it shows me recently used ones, which suffices. I don't really have to think about the names at all.
  - danShumway 7y ago
    > use the system's emoji picker tool and simply scroll through it. I don't see how this would change. You'd pick the cat emoji exactly the same way you do right now, and since your system language is set to English, iOS would insert :cat:, then immediately render it to an image representation. Users wouldn't need to memorize a label any more than they currently need to memorize the Unicode positions.
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danShumway 7y ago

> and having to duplicate it for every language defeats the entire purpose. Does it? If you want accessible emoji, you need a display label for each emoji in every language that the client supports. Whether or not the emoji is represented in Unicode doesn't change that. Also when users are entering emoji into a client application, they need a way to quickly filter and get to the emoji that they want -- that requires having a label in their native language, and putting emoji in Unicode doesn't fix that either. In any practical setting, accessibility/input means you need multiple labels for different languages anyway. So why are we trying so hard to avoid them in the final text representation? If :cat: :gato: :貓: were part of the emoji definition in a big list somewhere, it would only make it easier to support multiple languages, since I wouldn't need to compile my own list of translations/labels.

munmaek 7y ago
> Also when users are entering emoji into a client application, they need a way to quickly filter and get to the emoji that they want -- that requires having a label in their native language, and putting emoji in Unicode doesn't fix that either. This is different from -forcing- people to memorize the specific identifier in order to input it. How do I find a specific face emoji if I don't know the name? I use the system's emoji picker tool and simply scroll through it. On OSX, it shows me recently used ones, which suffices. I don't really have to think about the names at all.
- danShumway 7y ago
  > use the system's emoji picker tool and simply scroll through it. I don't see how this would change. You'd pick the cat emoji exactly the same way you do right now, and since your system language is set to English, iOS would insert :cat:, then immediately render it to an image representation. Users wouldn't need to memorize a label any more than they currently need to memorize the Unicode positions.

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