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I don't know a ton about the economics but my living experience lines up with this article. At least half of my closest friends are in the service industry. I
by enobrev 7y ago
I don't know a ton about the economics but my living experience lines up with this article. At least half of my closest friends are in the service industry. I spent most of my 20s and 30s in NYC before the wage increase. Those friends generally couldn't afford much of anything, outside of rent and a steady supply of cigarettes. It's the reason bartenders tend to "give the bar away" in NYC. Because their friends can't afford much else.
Then I moved to Seattle and noticed something entirely different. Same sort of friends - mostly service industry. And this was before the increase to $15/hr, when it was $12/hr. What was starkly different was that our new friends could actually afford to do things. Nice dinners, bars around town where we didn't know the bartenders, movies, trips to Portland and Vancouver. Same jobs, but with money to spend.
And then there's the side that was close to home. My wife was, for the first 2/3 of our relationship, a bartender. In NYC she had her good weeks, pulling in over $2k and her bad weeks, making somewhere around $100 for the week. Hard to say what was "normal" and impossible to predict. It was impossible to plan around her income so I basically just asked her to give me half and it would essentially even out. Then we moved to Seattle, again at $12/hr minimum (she was making $17-$20 I think) and our whole situation was different. We were already doing fine because I make a good living but now I could finally count on her contribution. We were able to save, plan trips, etc in ways we couldn't before because now we had a baseline amount that she would always make. The tips we're just a cherry on top.
And then we moved to Chicago with a shitty mimimum wage for servers and my wife left the industry entirely. She had gotten used to some stability in her income and now with a low minimum wage for servers, there is none. Even at a nice theater gig, she was making less than any job she had in Seattle and again relying upon the whims of her customers rather than the stability of the industry.
- linuxftw 7y agoRetail jobs aren't meant to be bread-winner jobs. Any zero-skill job is going to pay whatever the local market minimum is. There are two ways to raise the minimum market wage. First is minimum wage laws. Second is to increase labor demand or shorten labor supply. There's clearly a surplus of no-skilled labor in the US, yet we're still importing more of it. Businesses are capitalizing on the market conditions and exploiting the labor surplus, that's why we're seeing the proliferation of so many chain restaurants and and other little-to-no-value businesses.
- namarie 7y ago> Retail jobs aren't meant to be bread-winner jobs. And yet they are. Should people suffer degradation for it?
- linuxftw 7y agoUnfortunately, most people spend the first 18 years of their life learning not-so-useful things, at least in the US. They might go on to college, spend lots of money, and waste several more years learning not-so-useful things. Then they work retail jobs for little money. It's their own doing.
- enobrev 7y agoI absolutely agree with your second paragraph. For the rest, I'd recommend you spend a half year working in the service industry for half minimum wage plus tips before throwing around phrases like "zero-skill".
- linuxftw 7y agoI waited tables for minimum wage plus tips prior to moving on to other things. I considered it a zero skill job. Literally no experience necessary, they'll hire anyone. There are plenty of zero-skill jobs (or maybe we should say zero-value-skill), and they're going to pay zero-skill job wages. You're free to pretend that's not the case, reality proves otherwise.
- thatfrenchguy 7y ago> Retail jobs aren't meant to be bread-winner jobs. Any zero-skill job is going to pay whatever the local market minimum is. Says who ? Why is your tech job supposed to be a bread winner job ?
- subject117 7y agoSays the monetary value created from a tech job vs the monetary value created from a retail job.