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Tesla is already selling "Full Self-Driving Capability" for $6000. Excerpts: Coming later this year: Recognize and respond to traffic lights and stop signs.

Tesla is already selling "Full Self-Driving Capability" for $6000. Excerpts: Coming later this year: Recognize and respond to traffic lights and stop signs. Automatic driving on city streets. Fine print includes this: The activation and use of these features are dependent on achieving reliability far in excess of human drivers as demonstrated by billions of miles of experience, as well as regulatory approval, which may take longer in some jurisdictions. https://www.tesla.com/model3/design#autopilot https://www.tesla.com/model3/design#autopilot

minutillo 7y ago
They've been selling it for years, I think since 2016. They've delivered it so far to nobody.
- petilon 7y ago
  But they just delivered "Smart Summon" feature where the car drives itself to you in a parking lot. The rollout of this feature has been glitchy. But it gives them a lot of data which they will learn from and improve. Once they fix all the bugs in Smart Summon they will have made a major step forward. Self-driving safely in a parking lot is very hard--there may be kids walking about randomly, other cars moving in unpredictable ways, and so on. In fact, my guess is that self-driving in a parking lot is harder than self-driving in city streets, because there are more rules, more room and more predictability in city streets. I wouldn't be surprised if Tesla delivers city-street self-driving in a year or two.
  - bluGill 7y ago
    Parking lots are hard for the reasons you mention, but they are also easier because the speeds are slow. Hit a kid at 5mph and it is probably not harmful, and even if it would be you get a lot more cycles to recognize the problem and need to react vs if you were driving at high speed.
  - jcranmer 7y ago
    That reminds me of the canard I haven't seen in quite some time: "Tesla is going to win the self-driving race because they've got the most data!" Has this died because people have started to finally understand that the logic doesn't actually hold, or is it because Musk/Tesla have stopped promising that full self-driving is actually imminent?
    - petilon 7y ago
      It hasn't died, the logic holds, and Tesla is still promising self-driving is actually imminent. In addition to the most data, Tesla also has the best self-driving computing hardware you can buy today. (See autonomy day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ucp0TTmvqOE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ucp0TTmvqOE ) They also have top software people. I think Tesla may very well release full self-driving in the next couple of years.

minutillo 7y ago

They've been selling it for years, I think since 2016. They've delivered it so far to nobody.

petilon 7y ago
But they just delivered "Smart Summon" feature where the car drives itself to you in a parking lot. The rollout of this feature has been glitchy. But it gives them a lot of data which they will learn from and improve. Once they fix all the bugs in Smart Summon they will have made a major step forward. Self-driving safely in a parking lot is very hard--there may be kids walking about randomly, other cars moving in unpredictable ways, and so on. In fact, my guess is that self-driving in a parking lot is harder than self-driving in city streets, because there are more rules, more room and more predictability in city streets. I wouldn't be surprised if Tesla delivers city-street self-driving in a year or two.
- bluGill 7y ago
  Parking lots are hard for the reasons you mention, but they are also easier because the speeds are slow. Hit a kid at 5mph and it is probably not harmful, and even if it would be you get a lot more cycles to recognize the problem and need to react vs if you were driving at high speed.
- jcranmer 7y ago
  That reminds me of the canard I haven't seen in quite some time: "Tesla is going to win the self-driving race because they've got the most data!" Has this died because people have started to finally understand that the logic doesn't actually hold, or is it because Musk/Tesla have stopped promising that full self-driving is actually imminent?
  - petilon 7y ago
    It hasn't died, the logic holds, and Tesla is still promising self-driving is actually imminent. In addition to the most data, Tesla also has the best self-driving computing hardware you can buy today. (See autonomy day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ucp0TTmvqOE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ucp0TTmvqOE ) They also have top software people. I think Tesla may very well release full self-driving in the next couple of years.