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I wouldn't say I welcome the rise of Chinese hegemony, but I do welcome the rise of a more collaborative world, and that requires middle ground where there hasn

I wouldn't say I welcome the rise of Chinese hegemony, but I do welcome the rise of a more collaborative world, and that requires middle ground where there hasn't been with US hegemony due to lack of competition: I know that I can't expect to do business in the US or Europe if I opine on Jewish sovereignty issues I know that I can't expect to do business in China if I opine on Chinese sovereignty issues The result isn't that different just because the former is [mostly] private sector ostracizing and the latter is direct sanctioning from the government. It's cognitively negligent for that specific nuance of private sector deplatforming vs public sector sanctioning to be the line in the sand for people's ideology when the result is the same for doing business in a specific region. Although Chinese rule of law is totally arbitrary, they've been very consistent that discussion of Chinese sovereignty is not covered and this has nothing to do with any ideology or desire that causes you to say anything about it. I don't expect this to garner consensus, but the parallels are quite clear. Everyone here already censors themselves to fit with American values on things that greatly disturb them.

Canada 7y ago
Yeah, there are consequences for challanging establishment views on certain topics, but nobody is throwing critics such as Noam Chompsky in jail, taking passports away from his family and restricting their movements, or doing the same to those who openly share his views. And such abuses of power, which have happened without a doubt, are in time recognised and documented as the wrong and shameful excesses they are.
- rolltiide 7y ago
  > And such abuses of power, which have happened without a doubt, are in time recognized and documented as the wrong and shameful excesses they are. I'd like to agree, but this only happens if you are able to dissolve the administration you disagree with.
  - swagasaurus-rex 7y ago
    Or freedom of speech is upheld, which is not a view held by totalitarian regimes.
    - rolltiide 7y ago
      They have freedom of speech codified in law and very many exceptions. Opining on issues of sovereignty being one big exception. Its an unexpected one to Western audiences, coupled with a non-existent appeals process and no distinction between private and public sector in state-planned system. So you’ll be deplatformed by private sector - just like if you have non establishment views in countries you respect - and also sanctioned by public sector. The point is that to them it wouldn’t be viewed as freedom of speech not being upheld. Just like if things you did were ruled “obscene” or “hateful” or imminently harmful in the US: there is an appeals process in US but the courts might not support you. Just add “secession” to the list and maybe itll all make sense?

Canada 7y ago

Yeah, there are consequences for challanging establishment views on certain topics, but nobody is throwing critics such as Noam Chompsky in jail, taking passports away from his family and restricting their movements, or doing the same to those who openly share his views. And such abuses of power, which have happened without a doubt, are in time recognised and documented as the wrong and shameful excesses they are.

rolltiide 7y ago
> And such abuses of power, which have happened without a doubt, are in time recognized and documented as the wrong and shameful excesses they are. I'd like to agree, but this only happens if you are able to dissolve the administration you disagree with.
- swagasaurus-rex 7y ago
  Or freedom of speech is upheld, which is not a view held by totalitarian regimes.
  - rolltiide 7y ago
    They have freedom of speech codified in law and very many exceptions. Opining on issues of sovereignty being one big exception. Its an unexpected one to Western audiences, coupled with a non-existent appeals process and no distinction between private and public sector in state-planned system. So you’ll be deplatformed by private sector - just like if you have non establishment views in countries you respect - and also sanctioned by public sector. The point is that to them it wouldn’t be viewed as freedom of speech not being upheld. Just like if things you did were ruled “obscene” or “hateful” or imminently harmful in the US: there is an appeals process in US but the courts might not support you. Just add “secession” to the list and maybe itll all make sense?