I agree, but if the split is 90% well functioning, and 10% people with the manners of RMS/Torvalds, well, people are going to notice those 10%. Stereotypes obvi

I agree, but if the split is 90% well functioning, and 10% people with the manners of RMS/Torvalds, well, people are going to notice those 10%. Stereotypes obviously don't need to be real to shape things. My concern more is that our industry needs to stick up for itself and act like professionals, instead of intentionally marginalizing itself and then acting indignant about it. I don't even think that 10% really needs to change. We need the RMS' and Torvalds of the world. But we also need to, individually, act better than they do and advocate for ourselves as adults. I constantly see coders deriding any decision that places the business over their own individual interests, and then we get indignant that the decision makers don't listen to us. But if we don't care about their interests, and the collective best interest of the company, why should they care about our interests?