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Among many other issues, the world you fantasize about would result in far more cases of HIV. What actually decreased HIV transmission rates was destigmatizatio

Among many other issues, the world you fantasize about would result in far more cases of HIV. What actually decreased HIV transmission rates was destigmatization; more people being tested; creating a cultural norm around condom use; and new treatment regimes and adherence strategies that decrease viral load to undetectability. All three of the latter have a core dependency on destigmatization, which your proposed policy would fail miserably at.

pvaldes 7y ago
> the world you fantasize about would result in far more cases of HIV. I think that the opposite is infinitely more probable. Less new cases when people has the knowledge to take reasoned decisions. The right to african wifes to know that her husband has become a carrier should prevail over the right from those men to hide the disease and remain silent for convenience. African doctors should assure to inform the wife by default in their protocols, because this people have rights also, and the number of cases are all except "tiny". Desestigmatisation is exactly the opposite to hiding the disease, that is what we really are doing (and is not working). And I say that is not working because still there are thousands of new cases in the world each year with the difference that nobody cares yet. Young generations do not developped the danger sense about HIV that scarred older generations in 80's and 90's. Some of this adolescents are being caught in the most stupid way (And good luck telling some people that must buy and use a condom every time). Being transparent and loyal to your partner and society about the condition is a first requisite for desestigmatisation.
- hdhajd 7y ago
  Not being a fucking fascist on the Internet is better for society but look where we are? You’re ignoring all the reasonable evidence that what you’re suggesting doesn’t fucking work. This isn’t a new idea and tons of countries would fucking love throwing HIV positive people into camps if they could get away with it. Stop. Being. Fascist. If not, hopefully someone bashes some sense into your dense skull.
  - pvaldes 7y ago
    > Not being a fucking fascist on the Internet blah blah blah... I would prefer to speak as adults. Thanks. By the way I never talked about camps, and to call fascist to other people in a discussion currently (instead to show real counter-arguments), is a really worn out strategy and a sign of laziness. Everybody does it (and it never solved anything).
    - hdhajd 7y ago
      Stop being morally depraved and have some goddamn sense and maybe we can “speak as adults”. What the fuck is “rounding up all the HIV positive people” _other_ than throwing them into a camp? I don’t have “debates” with fascists because your ideology is violent and should be met in kind. I don’t give a shit about putting my effort into my argument because you obviously don’t give a shit about basic moral decency. Fuck you. You know what did solve things? Shooting the goddamn thugs who’s idea it was to throw HIV positive people into camps in the first place.
    - foldr 7y ago
      > I will call it, "fascist way". > and to call fascist to other people in a discussion Your words. You should really have a long hard think about what you're saying. What you are proposing is utterly disgusting.

pvaldes 7y ago

> the world you fantasize about would result in far more cases of HIV. I think that the opposite is infinitely more probable. Less new cases when people has the knowledge to take reasoned decisions. The right to african wifes to know that her husband has become a carrier should prevail over the right from those men to hide the disease and remain silent for convenience. African doctors should assure to inform the wife by default in their protocols, because this people have rights also, and the number of cases are all except "tiny". Desestigmatisation is exactly the opposite to hiding the disease, that is what we really are doing (and is not working). And I say that is not working because still there are thousands of new cases in the world each year with the difference that nobody cares yet. Young generations do not developped the danger sense about HIV that scarred older generations in 80's and 90's. Some of this adolescents are being caught in the most stupid way (And good luck telling some people that must buy and use a condom every time). Being transparent and loyal to your partner and society about the condition is a first requisite for desestigmatisation.

hdhajd 7y ago
Not being a fucking fascist on the Internet is better for society but look where we are? You’re ignoring all the reasonable evidence that what you’re suggesting doesn’t fucking work. This isn’t a new idea and tons of countries would fucking love throwing HIV positive people into camps if they could get away with it. Stop. Being. Fascist. If not, hopefully someone bashes some sense into your dense skull.
- pvaldes 7y ago
  > Not being a fucking fascist on the Internet blah blah blah... I would prefer to speak as adults. Thanks. By the way I never talked about camps, and to call fascist to other people in a discussion currently (instead to show real counter-arguments), is a really worn out strategy and a sign of laziness. Everybody does it (and it never solved anything).
  - hdhajd 7y ago
    Stop being morally depraved and have some goddamn sense and maybe we can “speak as adults”. What the fuck is “rounding up all the HIV positive people” _other_ than throwing them into a camp? I don’t have “debates” with fascists because your ideology is violent and should be met in kind. I don’t give a shit about putting my effort into my argument because you obviously don’t give a shit about basic moral decency. Fuck you. You know what did solve things? Shooting the goddamn thugs who’s idea it was to throw HIV positive people into camps in the first place.
  - foldr 7y ago
    > I will call it, "fascist way". > and to call fascist to other people in a discussion Your words. You should really have a long hard think about what you're saying. What you are proposing is utterly disgusting.