> ... we're back to competing with them. I don't remember the US competing with China at any point in its history. China's been a wreck since 1800 or so. China

> ... we're back to competing with them. I don't remember the US competing with China at any point in its history. China's been a wreck since 1800 or so. China not being a wreck is a fairly new thing, and China being a player on the world stage is unique. In my lifetime, people used the expression "starving kids in China" to denote incredibly poor people. Demographics... pretty much all civilized peoples have experienced demographic collapse. The US is no different.