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Noted the first two bits in the post. Did you read it? :) As far as SPM goes: they've got it built into Xcode at this point, and are doing WWDC sessions about

Noted the first two bits in the post. Did you read it? :) As far as SPM goes: they've got it built into Xcode at this point, and are doing WWDC sessions about it. At what point does it become "official" enough to warrant "This needs to be better" criticism? As far as "useless internet karma points": I couldn't care less. History has shown that when people make enough stink about this kind of thing, it sometimes—rarely, but sometimes—gets to the ears of people high enough in the management chain that it ends up shaking things loose at the mid-level spots where poor decisions around these things tend to get made. I don't work at Apple. I can't go fix most of this stuff. In my day job, I spend a lot of time on these kinds of concerns. In this context, though, the only thing I can do is shout a bit and hope it shakes things up a bit.

jmull 7y ago
> Noted the first two bits in the post. Did you read it? :) Yes, I did read. Come on. However, you're not quite right. You called Swift "relatively well covered". I disagree with that and consider the Swift language documentation excellent. That's not really the same thing. I did see you mention the WWDC videos, but I think you mischaracterize the role of them. My point is, people who are interested in learning SwiftUI should start with the WWDC videos, not feel "reduced to searching through" them. Anyway, if you want to work on top of something solid, forget about SwiftUI. It's very raw and changing fast. I wouldn't rewrite on top of it now unless you aren't planning to release for at least a year. And you might end up throwing it all away anyway. And shout all you want. I'm letting you know it's a bad look.
- chriskrycho 7y ago
  To be clear: I've watched every SwiftUI video. They're great! They just aren't the same as docs. As for the look: I understand the take. We obviously differ on whether it's ever appropriate to make some noise this way. For my part, when it's come my direction (as it has a couple times in the Ember ecosystem), I've appreciated it.

jmull 7y ago

> Noted the first two bits in the post. Did you read it? :) Yes, I did read. Come on. However, you're not quite right. You called Swift "relatively well covered". I disagree with that and consider the Swift language documentation excellent. That's not really the same thing. I did see you mention the WWDC videos, but I think you mischaracterize the role of them. My point is, people who are interested in learning SwiftUI should start with the WWDC videos, not feel "reduced to searching through" them. Anyway, if you want to work on top of something solid, forget about SwiftUI. It's very raw and changing fast. I wouldn't rewrite on top of it now unless you aren't planning to release for at least a year. And you might end up throwing it all away anyway. And shout all you want. I'm letting you know it's a bad look.

chriskrycho 7y ago
To be clear: I've watched every SwiftUI video. They're great! They just aren't the same as docs. As for the look: I understand the take. We obviously differ on whether it's ever appropriate to make some noise this way. For my part, when it's come my direction (as it has a couple times in the Ember ecosystem), I've appreciated it.