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That bar chart is terrible. It puts the US at a 137T shortfall and the Netherlands at 6T, making NL look much better than the US. But there's about 20x more pe
by skrebbel 7y ago
That bar chart is terrible. It puts the US at a 137T shortfall and the Netherlands at 6T, making NL look much better than the US.
But there's about 20x more people in the US as in NL. The shortfalls are about the same.
- heinrichhartman 7y ago"terrible" is the wrong word here. I far prefer absolute values, to arbitrary "corrected" values that are harder to interpret. I was looking at exactly that 6T figure, and was like: This is an AWEFUL LOT for a country with less than 20 Million people.
- josu 7y agoAlso, there is really no reason to aggregate them all as if it was one huge problem. This seems more like a series of problems that each country will have to deal in its own way at its own time.
- neor 7y agoShortfalls are about the same, but I do wonder if the problem is as big as well. I'm not sure about the US, but in the Netherlands the pensions are a hot topic in politics. The pension funds have to maintain a minimum amount of money, and need to take action if they risk getting below the minimum. Some/most funds are no longer indexing yearly based on inflation, and some funds are talking about reducing payouts to the retired. They are actively protecting their wealth to ensure the younger generation still has access to a pension when they retire. On a grander scale there are talks about a completely new pension system; the big funds where the current generation of workers pay the pensions of the retired is fragile with the general aging of the population. The amount of working persons per retired person is shifting, so they are talking about restructuring in a way where every working person saves money for their own pension. So when the article states that it is an invisible problem... not entirely true for the Netherlands.