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Another suggestion for a non-clickbaity title: Insurance Companies do Preventative Maintenance on High-Value Assets But yes, this feels like ... class-baiti

Another suggestion for a non-clickbaity title: Insurance Companies do Preventative Maintenance on High-Value Assets But yes, this feels like ... class-baiting or something. This headline is everywhere, made to rile up folk for.... what?

AJ007 7y ago
For page views & engagement. The same reason YouTube has been promoting anti-vacination, flat earth, and extremism videos to passive users.
dsfyu404ed 7y ago
> This headline is everywhere, made to rile up folk for.... what? People love having a strawman to tear down (or occasionally build up). They just don't know they love it. The news makes money off engagement so that's what they optimize for and outrage click-bait is very good at doing that job.
- bigj0n 7y ago
  You really think this headline is engineered for people to click because they're outraged, not because they agree? Articles and headlines based around classism are everywhere these days- and they arent marketing towards people who dont buy that classism is a huge problem. There are an extremely large number of americans who eat this shit up as truth.
  - dsfyu404ed 7y ago
    >You really think this headline is engineered for people to click because they're outraged, not because they agree? Do you think the HN crowd is clicking this headline because it is something they like to see? Sure, some may be but I would feel very safe betting money that more here fall into the "outraged" group than the "existing beliefs confirmed" group. We are having this discussion is because this is a rare instance where the headline needed to confirm the beliefs of one side and outrage the other side happen to be the same headline. >Articles and headlines based around classism are everywhere these days- and they arent marketing towards people who dont buy that classism is a huge problem. There Are we talking Fox News specifically or US media in general? If Fox News then sure. If media in general then I disagree, there's other outlets that cater to the other side of the class coin.
  - zbyte64 7y ago
    Wake me when the tax code and justice system is blind to class.
michaelt 7y ago
Some people consider that, when the rich are hiring a duplicate of a public service, it proves the public service is not fit for purpose.
- noirbot 7y ago
  I think I agree, but I don't see that as an indictment on the system or the folks doing supplemental hiring. Plenty of people have home security systems, or if you're rich/important enough, hire a bodyguard or private security. That doesn't mean the police isn't fit for service, it just means that the police have to care about everyone, and sometimes your personal risk profile is different than the average of everyone. If you own a multi-million dollar house, it's almost better for everyone if you're paying your own money to protect it, and let the public fire fighters spend their resources protecting those who can't afford their own protection.
  - TheCraiggers 7y ago
    But it would be even better for everyone if the well-off person spent those resources on additional public fire fighters. Maybe a new (closer) fire station, better trucks, more full-time fighters to staff it, etc. Work with the local government to help keep it going after an initial cash infusion. That said, I have no idea what the cost difference would be here, and I'm aware there are other potential negatives. I was just pointing out there are more options on the table, ones that would benefit both parties even more.
    - noirbot 7y ago
      Potentially, but just because people aren't doing the 100% most altruistic thing all the time doesn't mean they should be shamed for doing something that seems, at worst, neutral to everyone else. "What if rich people gave away all their money to causes I support" is almost always a valid position, but one that doesn't really help advance any discussion of the merits of any other action that's more viable.
      - 7y ago
lonelappde 7y ago
Fire protection, schools, healthcare, they are all specific cases of the general issue that wealthy people are... wealthier than poor people, which some people find unfair. That's a valid and complex debate (capitalism, communism, socialism, social democracy, progressive taxation, inheritance tax, etc) but it's annoying to slog through every specific applied case that doesn't add anything to the overall analysis.

AJ007 7y ago

For page views & engagement. The same reason YouTube has been promoting anti-vacination, flat earth, and extremism videos to passive users.

dsfyu404ed 7y ago

> This headline is everywhere, made to rile up folk for.... what? People love having a strawman to tear down (or occasionally build up). They just don't know they love it. The news makes money off engagement so that's what they optimize for and outrage click-bait is very good at doing that job.

bigj0n 7y ago
You really think this headline is engineered for people to click because they're outraged, not because they agree? Articles and headlines based around classism are everywhere these days- and they arent marketing towards people who dont buy that classism is a huge problem. There are an extremely large number of americans who eat this shit up as truth.
- dsfyu404ed 7y ago
  >You really think this headline is engineered for people to click because they're outraged, not because they agree? Do you think the HN crowd is clicking this headline because it is something they like to see? Sure, some may be but I would feel very safe betting money that more here fall into the "outraged" group than the "existing beliefs confirmed" group. We are having this discussion is because this is a rare instance where the headline needed to confirm the beliefs of one side and outrage the other side happen to be the same headline. >Articles and headlines based around classism are everywhere these days- and they arent marketing towards people who dont buy that classism is a huge problem. There Are we talking Fox News specifically or US media in general? If Fox News then sure. If media in general then I disagree, there's other outlets that cater to the other side of the class coin.
- zbyte64 7y ago
  Wake me when the tax code and justice system is blind to class.

michaelt 7y ago

Some people consider that, when the rich are hiring a duplicate of a public service, it proves the public service is not fit for purpose.

noirbot 7y ago
I think I agree, but I don't see that as an indictment on the system or the folks doing supplemental hiring. Plenty of people have home security systems, or if you're rich/important enough, hire a bodyguard or private security. That doesn't mean the police isn't fit for service, it just means that the police have to care about everyone, and sometimes your personal risk profile is different than the average of everyone. If you own a multi-million dollar house, it's almost better for everyone if you're paying your own money to protect it, and let the public fire fighters spend their resources protecting those who can't afford their own protection.
- TheCraiggers 7y ago
  But it would be even better for everyone if the well-off person spent those resources on additional public fire fighters. Maybe a new (closer) fire station, better trucks, more full-time fighters to staff it, etc. Work with the local government to help keep it going after an initial cash infusion. That said, I have no idea what the cost difference would be here, and I'm aware there are other potential negatives. I was just pointing out there are more options on the table, ones that would benefit both parties even more.
  - noirbot 7y ago
    Potentially, but just because people aren't doing the 100% most altruistic thing all the time doesn't mean they should be shamed for doing something that seems, at worst, neutral to everyone else. "What if rich people gave away all their money to causes I support" is almost always a valid position, but one that doesn't really help advance any discussion of the merits of any other action that's more viable.
    - 7y ago

lonelappde 7y ago

Fire protection, schools, healthcare, they are all specific cases of the general issue that wealthy people are... wealthier than poor people, which some people find unfair. That's a valid and complex debate (capitalism, communism, socialism, social democracy, progressive taxation, inheritance tax, etc) but it's annoying to slog through every specific applied case that doesn't add anything to the overall analysis.