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The US military is not actually very good at war — the nuts and bolts of combat and conquest. They maintain an aura of invincibility through PR which is questio
by dwoozle 7y ago
The US military is not actually very good at war — the nuts and bolts of combat and conquest. They maintain an aura of invincibility through PR which is questioned every time they fail at war (the majority of the times since World War II) or fail to carry out the basic actions of war making, like driving ships: https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2017/08/27/navy-swos-a-culture-in-crisis/ https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2017/08/27/navy-swo... .
- bsder 7y ago> The US military is not actually very good at war How do you define "good" at war? By the time you've reached "war" as a solution, "good" really isn't on the table. Pretty much the only way to be "good" at war is to be willing to kill every single person in the theatre--civilians included. You are "good" at war and "win" in that case--there is no enemy left. We also have a word for that--genocide. And we view that very negatively for good reason.
- monocasa 7y agoHow about their own metrics? Losing a carrier group to a bunch of speed boats and missiles in their own war games. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002
- Catsandkites 7y agoIsn't that article misleading though? For example the motorcycle messengers had "instantaneous communication" iirc.
- monocasa 7y ago[citation needed]
- ryanmercer 7y agoI mean you have this massive small-town sized ship (6000~ crew) and it's support ships, and then you have a bunch of agile, fast moving, speedboats that present very small targets that bounce across the waves that are capable of carrying enough explosives to put a hole in the hull... Obviously the swarm of small things that are effectively man-piloted missiles are going to be able to take out the slow 200 million pound behemoth that requires 3-5 miles to turn around.
- monocasa 7y agoCarrier groups are specifically designed to combat these kinds of threats. That's why "carrier killer" missiles like China's DH-26 are hypersonic; it's because that's what you're supposed to have to do to overwhelm a carrier group.
- ryanmercer 7y agoCarrier groups are meant to take out proper ships, not small speedboats. You can have a hypersonic missile all you want, but when a speedboat can rapidly change speed and direction unlike even something small like cyclone-class patrol craft. Change generic speedboat to fastboat and you have something that can do 30-90mph (50-80 knots) depending on wave conditions while the previously m entioned cyclone-class tops out at 40mph (35 knots). Carrier groups aren't exactly in a tight circle around an aircraft carrier either and then you have to consider friendly fire (with deck guns/artillery) so enough much smaller craft can come zooming in and easily overwhelm any defensive capabilities. Depending on distances and angle you might be firing a 62 caliber projectile directly at your own ships with a craft randomly adjusting course, in choppy waters. Software is only going to do so much to increase the odds of hitting your target and something like a deck gun is going to be used long before anti-ship missiles that cost many hundreds of thousands of dollars well into million dollar plus range a pop. Especially if you have a half dozen, a dozen, two dozen cheaply acquired speedboats/fast boats coming at you. Naval warfare isn't much different now than it was hundreds of years ago for proper ships. Sure the projectiles can be laser guided and carry way more destructive potential while the ships can move under their own power but you're still talking about incredibly heavy ships that move slow and are bobbing up and down in the water. Similarly put a dozen guys on performance dirt bikes and give them explosive backpacks and throw them at an M1 Abrams and unless you have one hell of a lucky gunner, one of those dozen people is going to get right up on that tank and at a minimum will render it immobile. Naval ships are meant to fight other ships and in the case of the aircraft carrier itself, simply support a small fleet of aircraft. They are not designed, or intended to, fight multiple much smaller craft. Speedboats have very limited ranges, rarely leave coastal waters and can't carry any weapon system that poses a risk to naval vessels EXCEPT for shoulder-fired rockets and by acting as suicide man-piloted missiles laden with explosives.
- rebuilder 7y agoWhere do you get the idea that the end-goal for use of military force is inevitably genocide? You win a war when the outcome lets you plausibly declare victory.
- rcurry 7y agoYou don’t have to be good at war, you just have to be better than everybody else. And that’s what sets the US military apart.
- fnordfnordfnord 7y agoHaving more helps too!
- SketchySeaBeast 7y agoMore military or war?
- fnordfnordfnord 7y agoMore of everything, especially guns.