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Sorry, but you have no clue how many undocumented immigrants are all around you. Just because most of them are white you don't notice them in streets and they w

Sorry, but you have no clue how many undocumented immigrants are all around you. Just because most of them are white you don't notice them in streets and they work shitty and hard jobs so you don't meet them either... I personally know like a dozen guys from Serbia and Bosnia who live in Austria and Germany illegally, and that's a dime a dozen. Us, Albanians and Turks are for EU what Mexicans are for US...

derriz 7y ago
Sorry but an anecdote about your personal experience isn't very convincing. What would be convincing would be a reference to a source with numbers/data to back up your claim. The most recent Europe-wide figures are pretty out-of-date but indicate estimates of between 0.3% and 0.7% of people living in Eureope being irregular/undocumented (http://irregular-migration.net http://irregular-migration.net). This is much less than the comparable estimates for the US, for example.
- ivanhoe 7y ago
  I never claimed there's more illegal immigrants in the EU than in US. I said that there's more immigrants than it is maybe perceived by most, especially tourists. For instance in Austria more than 20% of population are legal immigrants. In Switzerland it's more than 30%. About half of them come from other EU countries, and most of them are concentrated in big cities. [1] Regarding the illegal immigration situation in EU is very different from US because the laws are different. In EU state helps immigrants so they're incentivized to register, and also it's easier to get permits. According to the official DHS report [2]: "Of the total illegal alien population in 2015, nearly 80 percent had resided within the United States for more than 10 years", which is super uncommon in EU, they'd be legalized by that time. So just comparing the numbers doesn't tell the true story, but according to the official report from Austria [3]: "Irregular residents account for between 2.9% and 1.1% of the total population.", so 10x more what you suggested. They also note in this report: "As there are strong incentives for immigrants to register in Austria (e.g. certificate of registration as a prerequisite for application for state benefits), the majority of immigrants are on record at the registration offices. In contrast, very little information is available about irregular immigration." And Austria is one of the stricter countries in this regard. [1] https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/pdfscache/1275.pdf https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/pdfscache... [2] https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/18_1214_PLCY_pops-est-report.pdf https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/18_1214... [3] https://bmi.gv.at/Downloads/files/Bericht_des_Migrationsrats_PDF_komplett_ENG_23_3_17.pdf https://bmi.gv.at/Downloads/files/Bericht_des_Migrationsrats...

derriz 7y ago

Sorry but an anecdote about your personal experience isn't very convincing. What would be convincing would be a reference to a source with numbers/data to back up your claim. The most recent Europe-wide figures are pretty out-of-date but indicate estimates of between 0.3% and 0.7% of people living in Eureope being irregular/undocumented (http://irregular-migration.net http://irregular-migration.net). This is much less than the comparable estimates for the US, for example.

ivanhoe 7y ago
I never claimed there's more illegal immigrants in the EU than in US. I said that there's more immigrants than it is maybe perceived by most, especially tourists. For instance in Austria more than 20% of population are legal immigrants. In Switzerland it's more than 30%. About half of them come from other EU countries, and most of them are concentrated in big cities. [1] Regarding the illegal immigration situation in EU is very different from US because the laws are different. In EU state helps immigrants so they're incentivized to register, and also it's easier to get permits. According to the official DHS report [2]: "Of the total illegal alien population in 2015, nearly 80 percent had resided within the United States for more than 10 years", which is super uncommon in EU, they'd be legalized by that time. So just comparing the numbers doesn't tell the true story, but according to the official report from Austria [3]: "Irregular residents account for between 2.9% and 1.1% of the total population.", so 10x more what you suggested. They also note in this report: "As there are strong incentives for immigrants to register in Austria (e.g. certificate of registration as a prerequisite for application for state benefits), the majority of immigrants are on record at the registration offices. In contrast, very little information is available about irregular immigration." And Austria is one of the stricter countries in this regard. [1] https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/pdfscache/1275.pdf https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/pdfscache... [2] https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/18_1214_PLCY_pops-est-report.pdf https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/18_1214... [3] https://bmi.gv.at/Downloads/files/Bericht_des_Migrationsrats_PDF_komplett_ENG_23_3_17.pdf https://bmi.gv.at/Downloads/files/Bericht_des_Migrationsrats...