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I can’t answer for sergiotapia, but I will say that you cannot have unconstrained immigration and high-quality public goods at the same time. Also, rapid uncons

I can’t answer for sergiotapia, but I will say that you cannot have unconstrained immigration and high-quality public goods at the same time. Also, rapid unconstrained immigration causes equally rapid changes in culture, and it’s not unreasonable at all for existing citizens to object to that.

acollins1331 7y ago
Okay so you think setting up FR at burning man so we can deport some people that went to burning man does any net good for society? Why? Because our culture is changing too quickly? Shameful. Do you also think deporting the 11m people here illegally would be good for society? Protip: it would be devastating.
- i_am_nomad 7y ago
  Deporting the 11m illegal immigrants here would result in higher wages for low-income citizens and reduce inequality. So you think paying poor people more money is a bad thing? Why? Why do you love income inequality so much?
  - acollins1331 7y ago
    You honestly believe that deporting 11m people from this country would just drive up peoples wages? It wouldn't have incredible ripple effects across our economy as 5m jobs go un-done and many businesses go under? Maybe if you look at it on 30-40 year timescales things will stabilize, but you just ruined the lives of every american you said you want to help by starting a recession that would be much much worse than 2008.
    - angry_octet 7y ago
      There is no convincing some people, there has been too many years of conservatives/populists (including right wing unions) telling them the economy is a zero sum game. In reality, the deportation of even 1m would plunge the economy into recession, businesses would collapse from lack of key workers, capital would move to where cheap production was possible, etc. It's the same with income tax cuts -- someone things their $500 tax cut is great, but ignores the $5000 tax cut those on higher incomes (whether wages or company/real estate ownership) receives, and then complains when there are more homeless people and schools can hire enough teachers. It's bait and switch on a generational scale.
  - logicchains 7y ago
    Why do you think citizens deserve to be paid more than citizens of another country? By what moral logic do they deserve better treatment just because of where they're born?
hk__2 7y ago
Constrained immigration policies and kicking out the people who were able to pass through are different things.

acollins1331 7y ago

Okay so you think setting up FR at burning man so we can deport some people that went to burning man does any net good for society? Why? Because our culture is changing too quickly? Shameful. Do you also think deporting the 11m people here illegally would be good for society? Protip: it would be devastating.

i_am_nomad 7y ago
Deporting the 11m illegal immigrants here would result in higher wages for low-income citizens and reduce inequality. So you think paying poor people more money is a bad thing? Why? Why do you love income inequality so much?
- acollins1331 7y ago
  You honestly believe that deporting 11m people from this country would just drive up peoples wages? It wouldn't have incredible ripple effects across our economy as 5m jobs go un-done and many businesses go under? Maybe if you look at it on 30-40 year timescales things will stabilize, but you just ruined the lives of every american you said you want to help by starting a recession that would be much much worse than 2008.
  - angry_octet 7y ago
    There is no convincing some people, there has been too many years of conservatives/populists (including right wing unions) telling them the economy is a zero sum game. In reality, the deportation of even 1m would plunge the economy into recession, businesses would collapse from lack of key workers, capital would move to where cheap production was possible, etc. It's the same with income tax cuts -- someone things their $500 tax cut is great, but ignores the $5000 tax cut those on higher incomes (whether wages or company/real estate ownership) receives, and then complains when there are more homeless people and schools can hire enough teachers. It's bait and switch on a generational scale.
- logicchains 7y ago
  Why do you think citizens deserve to be paid more than citizens of another country? By what moral logic do they deserve better treatment just because of where they're born?

hk__2 7y ago

Constrained immigration policies and kicking out the people who were able to pass through are different things.