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CS:GO players banned by Google's new chat AI

10 points by heinrich5991 7y ago

jiofih 7y ago
Unfortunately the chat is just one of the ways ‘toxic’ players manifest; the main one is simply ruining the game itself by refusing to cooperate with their team. It’s even worse in a game like Overwatch which has more complex tram dynamics. Not something AI can help with...
bsaul 7y ago
playing the devil’s advocate here : You’re playing a game where you’re actually killing someone else, in the most realistic way. And yet you can’t say mean things in the chat. It’s weird you can say « haha, i’m so happy i shot you in the head ». But you can’t say « you’re such a lame dumbass » ?
- emsy 7y ago
  I play CS GO pretty often. I don’t register the in-game killing as killing at all. It’s more like scoring a point in volleyball or clearing a line in Tetris. The toxic behavior of your teammates however is very real and detrimental to the game. Its people insulting you for making mistakes or making a teamkill because they wanted to get revenge for something. I doubt anyone would be banned for calling someone a lame dumbass. We’re talking about screaming in the mic, thus hurting your ears and occupying voicechat, threats of violence and racism (I never witnessed sexism but that could be a problem too).
  - Jamwinner 7y ago
    Other than a few slurs, name-calling, racism is pretty absent in my experince. I have not seen peoples experince impinged upon because of any of their unseen atributes other than being a 'squeaker' (young player with high pitched voice), who are ruthlessly mocked by some. So the same gatekeeping bs that happens in every schoolyard, but without the local consequence.
    - zajd 7y ago
      Change your steam icon to a Russian or Brazilian flag with a matching name and you'll see loads of it.
    - emsy 7y ago
      I‘m in Europe where you get players from the UK to Turkey and Russia. There’s often a prejudice from some nations to others.
  - serf 7y ago
    >I never witnessed sexism but that could be a problem too That's pretty slippery. Why not go full Toon-Town 'SpeedChat' , parse all the voice to text, equivocate the naughty phrase that was actually uttered to an acceptable alternative, and give the player a TTS voice that says something roughly equivalent publicly. "Eat shit, dickhead" -> "Boy, I sure am frustrated!" "I wrecked you, you're terrible." -> "Good game, everyone!" these censorship lengths absurd. at what point in all this cat-and-mouse game is it going to be obviously harmful towards human expression? or, in other words, if The Machine dictates what of which was said is heard by the flock everywhere , at what point do we lose our voices?
    - emsy 7y ago
      I'm not talking about gendered language. I'm talking about discrimination based on gender. E.g. if someone said to a woman in game: "Wow, you're bad that's why women belong to the kitchen and not the computer" or some bullshit. And it's nasty in the way I described earlier that it just tries to mess with your teammates emotionally which is basically a form of griefing and just ruins the game.
- zajd 7y ago
  Counter strike is not a 'realistic' game (Arma is moreso) and even if it was, it's a game first. Simulation isn't the goal. Fun is. And toxicity isn't fun.
- xemdetia 7y ago
  Even on the scale of general toxicity CS:GO is so stifled that you don't even interact with your opponents that much anyway. The only thing I hope this AI takes care of is the YouTube preacher bots. You usually get the grief from mistakes/uncooperative teammates.
ahbyb 7y ago
Probably nothing you can't do with regular expressions.
- ddtaylor 7y ago
  We obviously need AI regular expressions. /s
Jamwinner 7y ago
Oh no, little johnny is gonna hear a bad word! Can we at least have an adults section before the wole of the internet becomes a kiddie pool? I find yelling at the opponent part of the fun, as do many players. Sure, segregate us, but please don't ruin our fun we paid for. We tend to only play with others like us anyway, no need to butt in.
- xemdetia 7y ago
  Actually if this is faceit this is a reduced community in general so the kid gloves are off elsewhere.
rasz 7y ago
Wait a minute, Google and some company I have never heard of has Admin privileges on STEAM?
- tenplusfive 7y ago
  Reads to me like that only Faceit does this. They provide an alternative matchmaking service that is separate to the one provided by valve. The bans are most likely also limited to Faceit

10 points by heinrich5991 7y ago

Unfortunately the chat is just one of the ways ‘toxic’ players manifest; the main one is simply ruining the game itself by refusing to cooperate with their team. It’s even worse in a game like Overwatch which has more complex tram dynamics. Not something AI can help with...

bsaul 7y ago

playing the devil’s advocate here : You’re playing a game where you’re actually killing someone else, in the most realistic way. And yet you can’t say mean things in the chat. It’s weird you can say « haha, i’m so happy i shot you in the head ». But you can’t say « you’re such a lame dumbass » ?

emsy 7y ago
I play CS GO pretty often. I don’t register the in-game killing as killing at all. It’s more like scoring a point in volleyball or clearing a line in Tetris. The toxic behavior of your teammates however is very real and detrimental to the game. Its people insulting you for making mistakes or making a teamkill because they wanted to get revenge for something. I doubt anyone would be banned for calling someone a lame dumbass. We’re talking about screaming in the mic, thus hurting your ears and occupying voicechat, threats of violence and racism (I never witnessed sexism but that could be a problem too).
- Jamwinner 7y ago
  Other than a few slurs, name-calling, racism is pretty absent in my experince. I have not seen peoples experince impinged upon because of any of their unseen atributes other than being a 'squeaker' (young player with high pitched voice), who are ruthlessly mocked by some. So the same gatekeeping bs that happens in every schoolyard, but without the local consequence.
  - zajd 7y ago
    Change your steam icon to a Russian or Brazilian flag with a matching name and you'll see loads of it.
  - emsy 7y ago
    I‘m in Europe where you get players from the UK to Turkey and Russia. There’s often a prejudice from some nations to others.
- serf 7y ago
  >I never witnessed sexism but that could be a problem too That's pretty slippery. Why not go full Toon-Town 'SpeedChat' , parse all the voice to text, equivocate the naughty phrase that was actually uttered to an acceptable alternative, and give the player a TTS voice that says something roughly equivalent publicly. "Eat shit, dickhead" -> "Boy, I sure am frustrated!" "I wrecked you, you're terrible." -> "Good game, everyone!" these censorship lengths absurd. at what point in all this cat-and-mouse game is it going to be obviously harmful towards human expression? or, in other words, if The Machine dictates what of which was said is heard by the flock everywhere , at what point do we lose our voices?
  - emsy 7y ago
    I'm not talking about gendered language. I'm talking about discrimination based on gender. E.g. if someone said to a woman in game: "Wow, you're bad that's why women belong to the kitchen and not the computer" or some bullshit. And it's nasty in the way I described earlier that it just tries to mess with your teammates emotionally which is basically a form of griefing and just ruins the game.
zajd 7y ago
Counter strike is not a 'realistic' game (Arma is moreso) and even if it was, it's a game first. Simulation isn't the goal. Fun is. And toxicity isn't fun.
xemdetia 7y ago
Even on the scale of general toxicity CS:GO is so stifled that you don't even interact with your opponents that much anyway. The only thing I hope this AI takes care of is the YouTube preacher bots. You usually get the grief from mistakes/uncooperative teammates.

ahbyb 7y ago

Probably nothing you can't do with regular expressions.

ddtaylor 7y ago
We obviously need AI regular expressions. /s

Jamwinner 7y ago

Oh no, little johnny is gonna hear a bad word! Can we at least have an adults section before the wole of the internet becomes a kiddie pool? I find yelling at the opponent part of the fun, as do many players. Sure, segregate us, but please don't ruin our fun we paid for. We tend to only play with others like us anyway, no need to butt in.

xemdetia 7y ago
Actually if this is faceit this is a reduced community in general so the kid gloves are off elsewhere.

rasz 7y ago

Wait a minute, Google and some company I have never heard of has Admin privileges on STEAM?

tenplusfive 7y ago
Reads to me like that only Faceit does this. They provide an alternative matchmaking service that is separate to the one provided by valve. The bans are most likely also limited to Faceit