It's mostly a thick layer of lip stick though, as soon as something doesn't work you start paying for building on top an epic tower of crufty abstractions. I o

It's mostly a thick layer of lip stick though, as soon as something doesn't work you start paying for building on top an epic tower of crufty abstractions. I once did some Java EE in Eclipse. They both look mostly the same to me. A mountain of crufty crap covered with as much lip stick as it took to make it sort of flop along. I'm sorry if I'm stepping on toes here, this is just my experience. May I ask what you're using component frameworks for these days? I spent 13 years professionally writing reservation and accounting client/server apps in Delphi but never even came close.