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In a Mandelbrot fractal on one pixel you may see one value, on another you see another. Let's say on the second wall, instead of graffiti of violence, you see

In a Mandelbrot fractal on one pixel you may see one value, on another you see another. Let's say on the second wall, instead of graffiti of violence, you see a message of love. You look around the wall and you see there is a person in love, a family sharing love, a town with flowers, a peaceful city. For a wall with nothing, it could be a value in the set that corresponds to a particular color that represents it did not meet the threshold.

soulofmischief 7y ago
Fractals don't have pixels.
- toxicFork 7y ago
  Whatever you may consider to be an evaluation of it - for "looking at a fractal image" the pixel value is computed based on properties of the fractal at that particular magnification at that particular location.
  - soulofmischief 7y ago
    Your analogy still doesn't make sense because people get murdered in front of beautiful murals all the time, and people walk past disheveled tenements without getting murdered all the time. This "fractal" nature you describe doesn't exist. You are confusing emergent properties of society with something entirely different.
    - toxicFork 7y ago
      I concede this argument, from your latter sentence, I am considering emergent properties at different scales to be fractal like indeed. For the first sentence, my point was not to imply that a presence of one kind of behaviour leads to similar behaviour in related structures, but that at different scales, components of each structure may exhibit similar kinds of behaviour. E.g. a person can be considered to be violent or peaceful and so can a community. This could be from our nature of finding patterns in everything, though. Which I guess also leads to emergent properties anyway in some way, so I cannot add much more there. Actually I am unsure if it fits the definition of emergence - "emergence occurs when an entity is observed to have properties its parts do not have on their own" - but it would be hypocritical for me to argue on that note :D

soulofmischief 7y ago

Fractals don't have pixels.

toxicFork 7y ago
Whatever you may consider to be an evaluation of it - for "looking at a fractal image" the pixel value is computed based on properties of the fractal at that particular magnification at that particular location.
- soulofmischief 7y ago
  Your analogy still doesn't make sense because people get murdered in front of beautiful murals all the time, and people walk past disheveled tenements without getting murdered all the time. This "fractal" nature you describe doesn't exist. You are confusing emergent properties of society with something entirely different.
  - toxicFork 7y ago
    I concede this argument, from your latter sentence, I am considering emergent properties at different scales to be fractal like indeed. For the first sentence, my point was not to imply that a presence of one kind of behaviour leads to similar behaviour in related structures, but that at different scales, components of each structure may exhibit similar kinds of behaviour. E.g. a person can be considered to be violent or peaceful and so can a community. This could be from our nature of finding patterns in everything, though. Which I guess also leads to emergent properties anyway in some way, so I cannot add much more there. Actually I am unsure if it fits the definition of emergence - "emergence occurs when an entity is observed to have properties its parts do not have on their own" - but it would be hypocritical for me to argue on that note :D