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Everyone, not just kids. Go the fuck to bed. In my experience, it's the same parents that struggle to make it to 930 standups that also let their kids stay up t
by flerchin 7y ago
Everyone, not just kids. Go the fuck to bed. In my experience, it's the same parents that struggle to make it to 930 standups that also let their kids stay up too late.
- epicureanideal 7y agoThere’s no reason a standup needs to be at 930 other than to punish people with later natural sleep cycles.
- planetzero 7y agoSO instead, you want to punish people with early natural sleep cycles?
- tom_ 7y agoSuch meetings can be held at any time of the day.
- planetzero 7y agookay, so let's hold the meeting at 9:30am.
- planetzero 7y agoheh. that's what I thought.
- tom_ 7y agoThat is of course always an option. I said "any time", and 9:30 am is certainly a time. But what about holding it at, say, 11 am, or 12 pm, or some other time that's later in the day and doesn't conflict with the lunch period? Then perhaps it would be OK for everybody, early risers and late risers alike. It's not like the day absolutely has to start with a meeting. (If I wanted to punish people that like to get up early, I'd suggest holding it at 6 pm or something. That ought to cause maximum annoyance to people that are good at getting up early: not so late that it's an unreasonable demand, any more than 9:30 am is, but still late enough that it's probably going to mess about with how you'd naturally structure your work day.)
- detaro 7y agoWhat does your work time look like that you're punished by an lets say 13:00 standup? (That said, I prefer an async standup through chat etc too)
- thrower123 7y agoI don't much like standups, but I've noticed that they tend to end up being a hard start to the day. When we had them at 9:30, people would tend to always get in to the office by at least 9:15. When we kick them back to 10:30, people tend to straggle in up to 10, 10:15. Generally, people adjust to whatever the time is, so they have some minutes to get settled and triage their email; you usually can't actually get anything done unless you come in a couple hours before in the morning, and trying to start anything and pause for the meeting is a mess, because of the risk of getting diverted onto something else as a result of the standup.
- ApolloFortyNine 7y agoAs one of those people, it's because, as a developer, I hate knowing I'm going to be interrupted in X amount of time. Obviously if it was something like 11, 1130, it'd be different. But if with no standup I'd get to the office at 915, but the standup is at 10, I don't think I'd get any valuable piece of work done in that 45 minutes.
- jay_kyburz 7y agoI always used that time to clear my inbox and read the internet. Get those early distractions out of the way.
- ClumsyPilot 7y agoWhile there is truth to what you are saying, there is no particular requirement for stating a day with a standup. I find it's a glorified catch-up session and can be held equally successfully at 2pm. People can generally use their morning productively without it. I also find written form of standup more valuable than the verbal one.
- thrower123 7y agoI agree completely. I'm certainly far more productive in the morning if there is not a standup or some recurring daily meeting scheduled... That defined interruption imposes a big cost in productivity beforehand. It squeezes everything. Why standups couldn't just be a handful of bullet points from each person when they spin up for the day in a Slack channel is something I have never quite understood.
- umvi 7y agoWhat determines these "natural sleep cycles"? Does daylight savings interfere with them?
- icedchai 7y agoReschedule the standup to “never.” You’ll have an easier time getting those folks to show up.
- casion 7y agoNot everyone can just 'go to bed'. Circadian rhythms are a thing, as are a wide variety of sleeping disorders and psychological disorders with sleep comorbidities. Many of these affect simply the time of day when you can fall asleep.
- asveikau 7y agoAre you a parent? Getting kids awake, some food, to school on time, and then a work commute is hard. It might just be that you are observing.
- jay_kyburz 7y agoMy kids are only 6 and 7 but they are up first and can mostly do they rest themselves. I just have to work out how to get them to carry that through to the teenage years.